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AMSA Program & B-1 Bomber projects
« on: July 14, 2006, 02:34:31 pm »
AMSA was said to stand for "America's Most Studied Aircraft" due to the length of time it took to get to flying hardware.

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The USAF announcement of the airframe and engine contractors for the B-1 manned strategic bomber programme was scheduled for 28 May. Airframe finalists are Boeing, North American Rockwell, and General Dynamics, and power plant competitors are General Electric and Pratt & Whitney.

Flying Review International, July 1970

I'm sure I've seen a Lockheed AMSA design, and Doug Richardson's B-1 book has 3 AMSA designs that may be the Rockwell evolution, but what were Boeing and General Dynamics losing finalist submissions?
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Re: AMSA Program & B-1 Bomber projects
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2006, 06:34:55 pm »
Jay Miller's Lockheed Skunkworks history has drawings of 1968 and 1969 design studies.

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2006, 03:40:43 am »
Picture here: http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/bombers1b.htm

I will look for more later.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2006, 05:24:14 am »
Pictures here at Gatial Jozef site:
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Re: AMSA Program & B-1 Bomber projects
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2006, 05:29:25 am »
Matej's page has a pic of a General Dynamics AMSA. So that leaves Boeing...

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2006, 11:58:27 am »

   Wasn't Boeing's based on their 2707 SST?

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 03:22:59 pm »
Got hold of the source for the General Dynamics AMSA pic.

Interesting parallels to their VG FX fighter project.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 03:32:26 pm »
Paul,

you can find this GD AMSA design at page 7, "The B-1 Bomber. Aero Series 35. William G. Holder. Aero (TAB Books Inc). ISBN 0-8306-8616-9"

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Re: AMSA Program & B-1 Bomber projects
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 03:46:24 pm »
Indeed! Thats where I scanned it from :)
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Re: AMSA Program & B-1 Bomber projects
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 11:15:53 am »
Also found at NTRS -timeframe (1966) suggest that it was LAMP-AMP-AMPSS program related. My previous thoughts of TFX were re-thought:)
Too late and unusual for TFX. Beat me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 03:36:19 am »
Any chance of a three view drawing of the General Dynamics podded B1/AMSA proposal. I like this bird.

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 08:22:11 am »
Any chance of a three view drawing of the General Dynamics podded B1/AMSA proposal.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2007, 03:19:40 am »
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Love those GD B1s. Thanks v much.

Do you have similar for the North American pre-B1 podded designs or similar? Sorry for being greedy but I really love these early designs.

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2007, 10:37:36 am »

Do you have similar for the North American pre-B1 podded designs or similar?

The one in the lower left is GD. The one in the middle is Boeing. All the others are North American. The one in upper right with many views is described in further detail here:
http://www.up-ship.com/Book/preview.htm

It's been many months since I've worked on my Bomber Projects drawings.... until a few days ago. I've ahd a *lot* of projects going at once, and I've had to focus on the ones that actually make money. But I've started drawing again. Finished up a Boeing AMSA design last night. Several more AMSA designs to go.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 05:11:37 am »
Was leafing through some old mags at a plane show a few weeks ago and found a small drawing of what I assume to be an AMSA design. I did not buy the mag as it was part of a whole set of mags, but the picture was basically of a plane with an F111 type nose, a B52 mid fuselage and wings with podded engines a la B52, though it appeared to have a swing wing root. The tail was mid way between a B52H and an F111.  I have seen a similar drawing in an ad from the 1968 period for a US parts manufacturer.

I assume this was purely an artist's fantasy of what AMSA might turn out as, or did it reflect a real designer's initial ideas.

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