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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2006, 12:05:46 pm »
An interesting patent from “Weltumspannende Memoiren eines Flugzeugkonstrukteurs” (book and patent by Richard Vogt).

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2006, 01:11:44 pm »
Wow Boxkite!, what a nice post series.

Richard Vogt, from Blohm und Voss?, do you know the date for this patent?, he was working in the USA?, for which company?

sorry for the number of questions but you made me feel curious with the last drawing :)


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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2006, 03:13:51 pm »
The Douglas design:
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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2006, 03:15:44 pm »
Early Lockheed SST's, somewhat similar to the one posted:

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2006, 03:17:13 pm »
Where iot all started, the NACA/NASA "SCAT" series.
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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2006, 03:18:04 pm »
Of course, none of these are as cool as the SST version of the F-104 Starfighter:

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2006, 03:19:04 pm »
And of course they all pale in comparison witht he Sheer Manliness of the CL-655 hypersonic transport:

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2006, 06:48:13 pm »
Of course, none of these are as cool as the SST version of the F-104 Starfighter:



That one made me laugh  ;)  Strikes me more as someone goofing off than a serious proposal.
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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2006, 03:39:49 am »
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Richard Vogt, from Blohm und Voss?

Yes.

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do you know the date for this patent?

No.

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he was working in the USA?,


Yes.

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for which company?

I borrowed the book a few years ago, but didn’t make Xerox copies. In only remember two companies, Aerophysics Development Corporation in Santa Barbara (Vogt said he was the leading engineer for the Curtiss-Wright VZ-7, which was developed at Aerophysics) and Boeing.

Maybe there is an Richard Vogt entry in the Wikipedia encyclopedia - ?
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Can you tell us something generally about the SCAT terminology? There where NASA SCATs, Lockheed SCATs, …

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2006, 04:23:37 am »
Just found, all types mentioned before, but nevertheless maybe those 3-views are
interesting :
Boeing 733 (earlier, smaller proposal, I think)
Lockheed  CL-823
North American NAC-60

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2006, 07:24:31 am »

Lockheed  CL-823
North American NAC-60

They got the Lockheed and NA designs labelled wrong (the lockheed is actually the NA design)
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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2006, 07:28:02 am »

Can you tell us something generally about the SCAT terminology? There where NASA SCATs, Lockheed SCATs, …


The Supersonic Commercial Air Transport program was started by NASA in, I believe, 1962. It built upon previous work done by NASA/NACA in designing generic SST configurations. The various corporations then took the NASA-generated configurations and produced more detailed designs based on them.
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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2006, 09:58:27 pm »
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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2006, 02:10:37 am »
- what is the speed of a swallow loaded with a coconut ?
- an african swallow or an european swallow ?
- I don't know...aaaaaaaaaaargh!!!  ;D

Got a good pic of the Boeing 733 in a Science&Vie from march 1964, "3 projets US contre concorde" (thanks mom for the Science&Vie :-*)

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Re: US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2006, 05:32:35 am »
Here's the three competitors in march 1964: from up to down,
- Boeing 733
- Lockheed
- North American

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