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Flaps (Spanish Magazine) Number 94

Domodedovo Air Parade 8 July 1967 report

Yak-36: "VTOL showing reminiscences to previous Mikoyan studies"

MiG-25: "introduced as two crew all-weather Mach 3 interceptor, but looking at its wing shape we guess it is a multi-role aircraft basically suited for low altitude nuclear retaliation. It is probably a Yakovlev product"

More examples, with pics, will follow soon

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2006, 04:07:37 pm »
Spanish edition of an original english encyclopedia of weapons. Published in Spain in the early 80's.

This is my first post from it. An speculative drawing of a "new Soviet fighter in the F-16/F-18 class". "It seems that it comes from MiG and MiG29 designation is given, but others sources identify it as a Sukhoi product".


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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2006, 08:25:43 am »
"Soviet nuclear bomber" from Aviation Week, 1st December 1958. In fact Myasischev M-50.

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2006, 01:29:14 pm »
Nice pics Matej, thanks a lot
I have some stuff from the 50's that I'll look for. I remember a "Science Fiction" nuclear VTOL intercontinental bomber.

By the moment another profile from that encyclopedia of weapons. This time it is a "Su-27 Flanker".
Sorry for the bad quality scan :-\ but anyway I think it is a good looking aircraft

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2006, 10:43:36 pm »
Even when they got the design bureau right, they still mis-identified aircraft.  The Ye-2 "Faceplate" as the MiG-21, the Ye-152M "Flipper" as the MiG-23, etc.

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 12:37:34 am »
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Even when they got the design bureau right, they still mis-identified aircraft

The MiG-25 was identificated as MiG-23
The Su-24 as Su-19 (The Su-19 in fact it is an advanced unbuilt version of the Su-15)


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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 04:36:18 am »
Try this one

First evidence of a Soviet equivalent to the Fairchild A-10 came in 1978, via USAF recon photos of a prototype at the Soviet Air Force experimental centre at Ramenskoye.
The US first identified it as the Ram-J.
Some reports have used the designation ‘T-58’. The aircraft was assigned the NATO reporting name of Frogfoot.
Armament of one multi-barrel rotary cannon and up to ten hardpoints.
The powerplants are probably non-afterburning versions of the Tumanski R-13. These engines are located in the wing roots.
Deliveries of production aircraft are expected to begin in 1983 or 1984.

P.S. I have to apologise, as I am unable to match these photos together, as I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to things like this with my computer.
Does someone want to have a go?

I think although they were right of the mark with this impression of what would become the Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot, it still is a very interesting and I think a very good-looking design!

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 04:42:57 am »
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The Su-24 as Su-19 (The Su-19 in fact it is an advanced unbuilt version of the Su-15)


Out of interest Elmayerle, What did this Su-19 advanced and unbuilt version look like ?
Do you have anything in the way of pics, drawings or specifications for it

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 04:53:39 am »
I have specs and drawings of the Su-19 - it used a"crescent" wing similar to the original Su-27, had Tumansky turbofan engines and a lookdown shootdown radar/weapons system. I can post when I get home. 
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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 05:33:46 am »
Great

Thanks again Overscan!

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 07:37:00 am »
"Kamov Hokum" from domestic version of what originally was Encyclopedia of Aircrafts, Aerospace Publishing Ltd, 1991. Its interesting that western analysts long time thought that Ka-50 is two seat helicopter mainly because Soviets used during tests pasted plastic pieces behind cockpit for mirroring sunlight like glass.

Photos of RAM-K (Su-27) and RAM-L (MiG-29) done by KH-11 spy satellite in 1984.

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2006, 12:02:50 pm »
Pioneer,

Here it's the RAM-J

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2006, 02:58:56 pm »
More from the "Weapons Encyclopedia". This time Chinese Fighters, the J-8 and the J-12. Both from Shenyang
"The J-8 Finback would be a Mach 2 fighter (2 Tumansky R-11 copies) developed from one MiG-23 received from Egypt. First operational units would be ready from 1980".
"The J-12 would be a Mach 2 fighter engined with one Spey with afterburner". The Chinese Spey program started in 1979.

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2006, 10:32:51 pm »
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The Su-24 as Su-19 (The Su-19 in fact it is an advanced unbuilt version of the Su-15)
Out of interest Elmayerle, What did this Su-19 advanced and unbuilt version look like Do you have anything in the way of pics, drawings or specifications for it

You can find drawings and specifications in Red Stars, Volume 16, Sukhoi Interceptors.

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Re: Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2006, 11:35:34 pm »
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Do you have anything in the way of pics, drawings or specifications for it


Also in Tony Buttler's Secret Projects: Russian Fighters :)