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Offline JFC Fuller

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Re: Hobbs on the CVA-01 vs. Warship 2014
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2014, 03:19:23 pm »
Hobbs seems to have quite a bit on the CVA-01, judging from the comments here. Amazon's blurb on Warships 2014 states that there is an article on the CVA-01 plans - has anyone got access to both? Wondering if it's worth popping for both, or whether the Warships 2014 article is superfluous in the light of Hobbs?

Warship 2014 arrived with me today. The CVA-01 entry is an outstandingly detailed technical description of the final CVA-01 design with a comparison with one of the earlier sketch designs. It is actually the perfect accompaniment to Anthony Gorst's article and Ed Hampshire's book.

Ed Hampshire provides the context to why the ship was designed and why it was cancelled, Gorst provides a detailed description of the design process and Ian Sturton's Warship 2014 article describes, in detail, the designs final form.

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2014, 12:39:05 am »
Thanks for the summary JFC Fuller. Looks like I will be welcoming Warships 2014 into my collection some time in the near future.

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2014, 03:53:55 am »
JFC
 
Thank you also for the summary. Waterstones in Oxford still only has the 2013 version.
 
The three books you mention are sadly all on the expensive side. Our local library service does not run to them either.
 
Oh well, I might weaken and buy the Warship volume though its the artwork and plans that usually tilt me.
 
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Re: CVA-01
« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2014, 12:58:20 am »
Interesting the BBC have put up a brief CVA-01 article on the eve of the Naming of the new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28128026

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Re: CVA-01
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2014, 05:37:46 am »
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Re: CVA-01
« Reply #80 on: July 09, 2014, 12:44:13 am »
David Hobbs's "British Aircraft Carriers" has plenty of secret projects jems amongst the new information in the book. One of which is a general arrangement of the CVA-01 from November 1965. It shows the carrier with a new shape to the bridge island including a slanted front face. Here is a Lores scan to kick off any discussion on what would have been the final configuration before construction.
"There is a tendency in our planning to confuse the unfamiliar with the improbable." Thomas Schelling

Offline JFC Fuller

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Re: CVA-01
« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2014, 01:57:15 am »
Hobbs related CVA-01 discussion is mostly in this thread: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21098.0.html

Some form of merging might be appropriate...mods?

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #82 on: July 09, 2014, 08:07:32 am »
That link doesn't work JCF.

Offline Abraham Gubler

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #83 on: July 09, 2014, 02:24:45 pm »
That link doesn't work JCF.

Its a strange one. The link is dead because the mods have merged the two threads as suggested. So you are actually where the link wants you to go!
"There is a tendency in our planning to confuse the unfamiliar with the improbable." Thomas Schelling

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2014, 01:35:32 am »
Abraham
 
No discussion needed. The answers are in Ian Sturton's excellent article in WARSHIP 2014 as suggested by JFC Fuller above.  The drawings of CVA 01 make it a must have.
 
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Warships 2014 - differences in editions?
« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2014, 06:28:18 am »
A quick question, and I hope this is the best place to post it.

We were talking about Warships 2014 earlier. I now see there are two versions: Conway's and that of the Naval Institutes Press.

Does anyone know if there are any notable differences between the two versions?

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2014, 07:43:39 am »
The only difference is the different UK and US publishers. Although when I went to pre-order the 2013 version early last year I noticed that Amazon UK offered both versions. The US one cost considerably more than the UK one and availability was a month later. Not the most difficult decision I've ever had to make. :)

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2018, 07:43:09 am »
Just a couple of observations based on a trip to Kew yesterday.

Design process: The RN apparently evaluated 70 different designs ranging from 30-70,000 tons. They came to the conclusion that the bigger the ship the better as it would reduce the cost per embarked aircraft- there is even a snazzy little chart to sow the point. On top of that the RN seems to have been obsessed with being to able to cross deck (and put in the hangar) all but the biggest USN aircraft (including F-111B) which was a theme common with the 1952 effort. It is actually stated that the only reason the RN wasn't asking for a 70,000 ton ship was cost considerations.

Construction: In 1963, once the programme was reduced to three ships, it was planned to build the last two almost simultaneously, they would be ordered just 12 months apart, given the difficulties in finding a shipyard in the UK to build the first vessel its likely this would have put severe strain on the UK shipbuilding industry. I don't doubt that it could be done but it would have been a recipe for cost growth and delay.

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2018, 11:50:23 am »
I suspect reality would force a consecutive building schedule.
Which would have been better for both industry and the Navy.

But you do shed light on why the cost quoted in Parliament was for two of them and their attendant DDGs

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Re: British Carriers Commando Ships and Escort Cruisers 1963 to 1968
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