• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Vought XF8U-3 Crusader III

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
7,327
Reaction score
2,458
Hi!
Source : WINGS OF FAME VOLUME 9
 

Attachments

  • F8U-3.jpg
    F8U-3.jpg
    1.2 MB · Views: 764

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
7,327
Reaction score
2,458
Hi!
Source : AIR ENTHUSIAST 31, total 10 pages.
 

Attachments

  • page 22.jpg
    page 22.jpg
    321.5 KB · Views: 284
  • page 21.jpg
    page 21.jpg
    484.6 KB · Views: 193
  • page 20.jpg
    page 20.jpg
    380.7 KB · Views: 180
  • page 19.jpg
    page 19.jpg
    418.8 KB · Views: 174
  • page 6.jpg
    page 6.jpg
    358.4 KB · Views: 165
  • page 5.jpg
    page 5.jpg
    355.8 KB · Views: 168
  • page 4.jpg
    page 4.jpg
    441.1 KB · Views: 159
  • page 3.jpg
    page 3.jpg
    408.4 KB · Views: 157
  • page 2.jpg
    page 2.jpg
    360.9 KB · Views: 170
  • page 1.jpg
    page 1.jpg
    629.3 KB · Views: 562

blackkite

Don't laugh, don't cry, don't even curse, but.....
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
7,327
Reaction score
2,458
Tailspin Turtle said:
At long last, my F8U-3 monograph has been published by Steve Ginter. It includes details that you probably haven't seen on the F8U-3 and the Grumman Design 118 (both twin and single-engine versions), as well as information on the competition between the F8U-3 and the F4H.
Hi! I already have this wonderful book. http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/vought-f8u-3-crusader-iiisuper-crusader

I found some pages from google image search. For example,


Some three side view drawing.
Picture.

This airplane was a very wonderful airplane. I think the form of this airplane is Mach 3 class. Ventral fin is very large same as XF-103.
It's said that the form of this airplane also fits in with a supersonic area rule.
 

Attachments

  • XF8U-3-006_jpg_2161506.jpg
    XF8U-3-006_jpg_2161506.jpg
    61.8 KB · Views: 165
  • 1%201131.jpg
    1%201131.jpg
    54.8 KB · Views: 188
  • page 42.jpg
    page 42.jpg
    361.2 KB · Views: 244
  • page 33.jpg
    page 33.jpg
    266.8 KB · Views: 294
  • page 13.jpg
    page 13.jpg
    190.5 KB · Views: 294

Mark Nankivil

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2007
Messages
1,619
Reaction score
432
Good Day All -

I have become the happy and grateful caretaker of a significant number of 4x5 negatives of models that were tested in the LTV/Vought Low Speed Wing Tunnel (LSWT) along with a number of the test reports. As I sort thru the whole lot (guessing 4,000+ negatives), there is plenty there to share as they get scanned and identified.

Here are a few XF8U-3 images - note the earlier inlet vs. the later as produced inlet. More to come as I get them scanned...

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

Attachments

  • zF8U-3 724.jpg
    zF8U-3 724.jpg
    583.8 KB · Views: 195
  • zF8U-3 1339.jpg
    zF8U-3 1339.jpg
    513.7 KB · Views: 166
  • zF8U-3 Test 723.jpg
    zF8U-3 Test 723.jpg
    545.3 KB · Views: 163
  • zF8U-3 Sparrow Missile Separation Test.jpg
    zF8U-3 Sparrow Missile Separation Test.jpg
    800.8 KB · Views: 242

sferrin

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2011
Messages
13,336
Reaction score
1,367
I don't suppose you found any photos of a Pluto/SLAM mockup did you? ;)
 

alanqua

I dunno if she's the wife of my life
Joined
Aug 31, 2007
Messages
98
Reaction score
166
Hello,
Here is a 3 view plan + a whatif I produced for Le Fana de L'Aviation (article published a few years ago).
(I have a full page of whatif on the Crusader III but it's not the right place to post, you can go to my thread in the User Artwork of the forum.if you want)
Regards
Alain
Plan 3 Vues Crusader III v2.jpg
Whatifs Crusader III v4.jpg
 

KJ_Lesnick

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Feb 13, 2008
Messages
1,033
Reaction score
26
The aircraft towards the end of the test phase seemed to be creeping up beyond a weight at which performance guarantees were in danger: They were told to keep the weight below 40,000 lbs.
  1. Did Vought have any plans in place to actually keep the weight below 40,000 pounds?
  2. Did the addition of the petal speed-brake add any weight that wasn't negated by the removal of the belly-brake?
  3. It was stated that the lift produced by the AAM-N-7 pylons had a slightly beneficial effect on performance: Was that ever listed in any degree?
Also did aircraft 147085 get fitted with the petal-brakes?
 
Last edited:

SSgtC

CLEARANCE: Secret
Joined
Jul 13, 2020
Messages
327
Reaction score
349
I have a question about the proposed armament for the Super Crusader that I'm hoping someone can help me out on. I've read competing claims that yes, the production -3 would be gun armed, and I've read claims that no, it would not retain the guns from the earlier aircraft. My problem is, both answers make sense given the time period the aircraft was designed in. Does anyone have a firm answer on it?
 

apparition13

I really should change my personal text
Joined
Jan 27, 2017
Messages
166
Reaction score
208
The aircraft towards the end of the test phase seemed to be creeping up beyond a weight at which performance guarantees were in danger: They were told to keep the weight below 40,000 lbs.
  1. Did Vought have any plans in place to actually keep the weight below 40,000 pounds?
  2. Did the addition of the petal speed-brake add any weight that wasn't negated by the removal of the belly-brake?
  3. It was stated that the lift produced by the AAM-N-7 pylons had a slightly beneficial effect on performance: Was that ever listed in any degree?
Also did aircraft 147085 get fitted with the petal-brakes?

Empty weight was under 22k pounds. Where are you getting 40k?

I have a question about the proposed armament for the Super Crusader that I'm hoping someone can help me out on. I've read competing claims that yes, the production -3 would be gun armed, and I've read claims that no, it would not retain the guns from the earlier aircraft. My problem is, both answers make sense given the time period the aircraft was designed in. Does anyone have a firm answer on it?
The aircraft that flew did not have guns. I've not read anything about it. Wiki cites Joe Bauer, but he doesn't cite his source, so that's a deadish end.
 

starviking

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Sep 29, 2006
Messages
1,054
Reaction score
141
I have a question about the proposed armament for the Super Crusader that I'm hoping someone can help me out on. I've read competing claims that yes, the production -3 would be gun armed, and I've read claims that no, it would not retain the guns from the earlier aircraft. My problem is, both answers make sense given the time period the aircraft was designed in. Does anyone have a firm answer on it?
The aircraft that flew did not have guns. I've not read anything about it. Wiki cites Joe Bauer, but he doesn't cite his source, so that's a deadish end.

Tommy Thomason has written a book on the Super Crusader, and is a member of SP - so maybe a PM to him might shed light on things.
 

overscan (PaulMM)

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
12,262
Reaction score
3,149
It was absolutely designed without guns, to save weight, and there's no evidence I've seen to suggest the Navy ever considered a gun. It was cancelled way before guns came back in fashion. There were post-cancellation proposals to Canada and the US Air Force ADC, its possible one of those had a gun, but unlikely in my opinion.
 

SSgtC

CLEARANCE: Secret
Joined
Jul 13, 2020
Messages
327
Reaction score
349
It was absolutely designed without guns, to save weight, and there's no evidence I've seen to suggest the Navy ever considered a gun. It was cancelled way before guns came back in fashion. There were post-cancellation proposals to Canada and the US Air Force ADC, its possible one of those had a gun, but unlikely in my opinion.
That's why I was curious. Because it makes sense both ways. On the one hand, it was meant to be a missile armed interceptor. On the other hand, it has the "gunfighter" lineage.
 

overscan (PaulMM)

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
12,262
Reaction score
3,149
Guns are useful in close support or for fighting other fighters, but the F8U-3 was designed squarely to intercept bombers. Guns were not required or useful - just dead weight.

Given Vought were struggling with weight on F8U-3 they would not have added guns to the airframe unless told to by the Navy.
 

overscan (PaulMM)

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
12,262
Reaction score
3,149
Regarding the Joe Baugher site, this is just a guy with a reasonable library writing up articles based on his library of published books. His sources for the F8U-3 don't suggest anything authoritative was consulted.
 

sferrin

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2011
Messages
13,336
Reaction score
1,367
I have a question about the proposed armament for the Super Crusader that I'm hoping someone can help me out on. I've read competing claims that yes, the production -3 would be gun armed, and I've read claims that no, it would not retain the guns from the earlier aircraft. My problem is, both answers make sense given the time period the aircraft was designed in. Does anyone have a firm answer on it?
The aircraft that flew did not have guns. I've not read anything about it. Wiki cites Joe Bauer, but he doesn't cite his source, so that's a deadish end.

Tommy Thomason has written a book on the Super Crusader, and is a member of SP - so maybe a PM to him might shed light on things.
Just checked my copy of the book . Didn't see anything about a gun in there. I don't even know where they'd have put one.
 

overscan (PaulMM)

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 27, 2005
Messages
12,262
Reaction score
3,149
I have a question about the proposed armament for the Super Crusader that I'm hoping someone can help me out on. I've read competing claims that yes, the production -3 would be gun armed, and I've read claims that no, it would not retain the guns from the earlier aircraft. My problem is, both answers make sense given the time period the aircraft was designed in. Does anyone have a firm answer on it?
The aircraft that flew did not have guns. I've not read anything about it. Wiki cites Joe Bauer, but he doesn't cite his source, so that's a deadish end.

Tommy Thomason has written a book on the Super Crusader, and is a member of SP - so maybe a PM to him might shed light on things.
Just checked my copy of the book . Didn't see anything about a gun in there. I don't even know where they'd have put one.
Proposed prduction one had IRST blisters either side of the cockpit, I guess someone might have confused them for gun ports?
 

SSgtC

CLEARANCE: Secret
Joined
Jul 13, 2020
Messages
327
Reaction score
349
I have a question about the proposed armament for the Super Crusader that I'm hoping someone can help me out on. I've read competing claims that yes, the production -3 would be gun armed, and I've read claims that no, it would not retain the guns from the earlier aircraft. My problem is, both answers make sense given the time period the aircraft was designed in. Does anyone have a firm answer on it?
The aircraft that flew did not have guns. I've not read anything about it. Wiki cites Joe Bauer, but he doesn't cite his source, so that's a deadish end.

Tommy Thomason has written a book on the Super Crusader, and is a member of SP - so maybe a PM to him might shed light on things.
Just checked my copy of the book . Didn't see anything about a gun in there. I don't even know where they'd have put one.
Proposed prduction one had IRST blisters either side of the cockpit, I guess someone might have confused them for gun ports?
That makes as much sense as any to be honest. A low res photo combined with maybe only a glance and you could mistake those for guns. Particularly given that the aircraft was supposedly a variant of the Crusader.
 

Similar threads

Top