US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971

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Convair 58-9 SST Airliner 3D Model by citizensnip

The Convair Model 58-9 was a proposed American supersonic transport, developed by the Convair division of General Dynamics and intended to carry fifty-two passengers at over Mach 2. Derived from the B-58 Hustler bomber, it was designed in 1961 but no examples of the type were ever built. The...
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I believe this is the shape which could cruise mach 2.7.

Boeing tinkered with the design of the SST, but even with the 2707-300, they tinkered with the wing design.
I think that the need for landing gear fairings means that the thickness of the wing has been reduced.
The purpose of reducing the thickness of the wing is either to reduce drag or to reduce weight.
I imagine that it was difficult to satisfy either the range or speed requirements with the original design.

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Lockheed L-2000

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Airports for the Supersonic Age - Part 1: Planning for SSTs

A look at how back in the 1960s airports dealt with the advent of SST aircraft. In the late 1960s, the expectation was that, by the late 20th century, the majority of long-haul passengers would fly in supersonic aircraft. In this article, we will examine
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Hi! You can see 2707-100 display model large images.
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In my personal opinion, I think that if the Lockheed proposal would've been picked, we probably would've gotten our SST. Sure the design was similar to the Concorde but Lockheed had experience in building jets and fast ones at that and it still would've surpassed the Concorde.

Also I do have a question regarding the L-2000. Does anyone have any estimates or specs regarding its internal fuel capacity? The L-2000-7 to be specific as that was the final design that would've gone into production if picked if I recall correctly.
 
Does anyone have any drawings or 3-views of the little known Lockheed L-2000 Phase 2B from 1965, also known as the L-2000-4? It was the 170 passenger version that was infamously mistaken for a Douglas proposal I think from FlightGlobal and Aviation Week magazine at the time. These are the only visualizers out there, just seeing if there was more. Note the fuel distribution cutaway above the TWA logo.
If Lockheed would have won I guarantee you they would have ditched the L-2000-7A/B designs by 1970 to '72 and went right back to the 170 seat JT17 turbofan design for efficiency purposes and flying at mach 1.7 to 2.2 after 1975. Pan Am's 50th anniversary flight from pole to pole would have been at mach 3 for public relations purposes only. The same with other airlines for various PR purposes and airline supremacy.
 

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Bentleys London | Shop Motoring, Flying and Sailing | Lockheed L-2000 Model

A rare scale model of the Lockheed L-2000 made for use in a wind-tunnel to assess aerodynamic characteristics, circa 1960. The model was made in brass which has developed a patina that is more like the colour of bronze. The aircraft sits on a newly made aluminium stand. Shop Bentleys now.
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I'm shamelessly reposting some images someone posted on Facebook Cancelled Aircrafts group, just too good not to be here.
Two picts of what seems to be a preserved GE-4 engine :
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And a beautiful Boeing cutaway plan of a 68/69 conf. 2707-300. Note "A6 Wheel well section" at bottom left showing the MLG fairings.

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Pacmin Like 1/100 Lockheed L-2000 SST Concept Model 32" Long. | #2963265563

The find of the century!You are bidding on a approx 1/100 scale concept model of the Lockheed L-2000 supersonic transport. The L-2000 was Lockheed's entry into the supersonic transport competition in
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"The find of the century!You are bidding on a approx 1/100 scale concept model of the Lockheed L-2000 supersonic transport. The L-2000 was Lockheed's entry into the supersonic transport competition in the 1960s. The model measures approx 32" long with a wingspan of 15".As you can see in the photos the model is in pretty rough shape with chips, cracks and scuffs, but that's to be expected from a model that's easily 50+ years old. The model appears to be made of fiberglass and resin. Please see the photos for close ups of the condition.Shipped with USPS Priority Mail to the US48 only. Please message me with any questions.KeywordsPacmin, pacific miniatures, pac-min, space models, Wesco models, Boeing, lockheed, concord, SST, Boeing 733, Boeing 2707, Boeing sst, airline model, travel agent model"
 

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Many years ago at Boeing I came across the copy of a document page shown in the attached PDF. Unfortunately I never saw the referenced previous page with the aircraft configuration, but sometime later I discovered a Boeing Report (Document No. D6-3460) titled “733 Presentation to General Swofford” from May 1959 that features the same cartoon. Shame those arm rest beer dispensers never made it into service though…
 

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Orionblamblam said:
Giving alcohol to passengers to "tranquilize" them.

Not sure that's gonna work out so great.
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3 strong drinks in short order tends to work for most people.

The rest of us are split into two groups: obnoxious drunks that should be kept to 1 drink per hour max, and people that could be absolutely smashed and are still not-unpleasant.
 
I have this dystopian nightmare vision that at some point in the not too distant future all airplane passengers will have to sign a consent form and waiver to strip naked and subsequently be fully anesthetized before being boarded by professional nurses and being kept under for the duration of the flight on multi-level stretcher high density accommodations due to security considerations before being reunited with their garments and baggage after arrival and wake-up. Airline advantages: zero in flight service, zero complaints, zero unruly passengers, no need for windows. Plus, every airport you arrive at will by default be your dream destination...
 
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I have this dystopian nightmare vision that at some point in the not too distant future all airplane passengers will have to sign a consent form and waiver to strip naked and subsequently be fully anesthetized before being boarded by professional nurses and being kept under for the duration of the flight on multi-level stretcher high density accommodations due to security considerations before being reunited with their garments and baggage after arrival and wake-up. Airline advantages: zero in flight service, zero complaints, zero unruly passengers, no need for windows. Plus, every airport you arrive at will by default be your dream destination...
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Fortunately, general anesthesia is too dangerous to do that.
 
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Check your PMs..
Regarding compression lift, they didn't apply it simply because (I am oversemplificating, I must admit) there isn't anything like compression lift in the real world... The lift generated by the shockwave is compensated by additional drag. This was proved in the windtunnel at Langley since 1959, and later confirmed in flight testing of the XB-70. See NASA report TM-X-76 "An Experimental Pressure-Distribution Investigation of Interference Effects produced at a Mach number of 3.11 by Wedge-Shaped Bodies Located under a Triangular Wing"


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Greetings, I know this is old, but stumbled back to this page; That report has been addressed by both Stormy Storms, Walt Spivak, and others.

5/15 Edit added just here:

Actually they did continue to use compression lift in the A/SST programs, it was used in designs up to 2018 and possibly more.

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Please correct me if I am wrong but that test at Langley and the report did not accommodate for the trapped shockwave of the XB-70 design via its folded wing tips at 65-70 degrees as tested at Ames and verified later with the investigation to the additional drag that effect it at at slower speeds.

The XB-70 with folded wing tip design proved in fact to provide much addition lift at high mach.
This is verified by the XB-70s great efficiency at its high mach and at Mach 3 some of the highest L/D of any manned high mach aircraft 2nd only to the D-21 drone. XB-70 overall efficiency was only dragged down by its poor loiter performance or operating it at below its designed cruise speed. You can toss most of googles returns into the trash, just regurgitated nonsense.

At a later date I will provide the sources, which as I recall are from Virginia Tech, NAA and NASA.

Cheers!
 
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Hello folks,
has this painting depicting a Convair supersonic transporter, which was uploaded to the SDASM Flickr archives yesterday on 2025-05-28, already been shared in this topic previously?
Dear moderators, if this post is in the wrong topic, kindly feel free to delete it or move it to a more appropriate one. :)
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Did we send it before ?

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SST 1965 FEATURE SUPERSONIC TRANSPORT JET AIRLINER NO ONE WANTS PROS & CONS | eBay

This is supersonic transport featured in a complete 1965 issue of PAGEANT Magazine. The piece describes the scramble among nations to build an SST and get them serviceable. There are lists of the pros and cons and profile of the SST!
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Nope, can't remember seeing it, thanks. Here bigger. That's pre-selection, 733-197, early L-2000, and the NAC-60.
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A friend in Seattle got this yesterday. The thing is like 3m long and very heavy. Unfortunately the wings are missing.
Could be a Boeing in house made, or done by Pacmin for Boeing according to someone how knows.
From the small stakes on the nose and the tailplane shape, looks like a 1968-69 config.
Will make more pictures in Sept.

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