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Stargazer2006 said:
Not being a Space Shuttle specialist (and not a "space person", more generally) I do not know exactly what project was evaluated in this sub-scale model hanging from below a Sikorsky CH-54, but I'm sure someone will identify soonest...
It's the "DC-3" orbiter, designed/pushed originally by Max Faget, and refined by McD.
 

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And in the picture 15,the comparison between, Chrysler,Lockheed,Grumman
and Boeing.
 

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Orionblamblam said:
Stargazer2006 said:
Not being a Space Shuttle specialist (and not a "space person", more generally) I do not know exactly what project was evaluated in this sub-scale model hanging from below a Sikorsky CH-54, but I'm sure someone will identify soonest...
It's the "DC-3" orbiter, designed/pushed originally by Max Faget, and refined by McD.
Thanks, Scott. And thanks hesham for the nice document.
 

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hesham said:
And in the picture 15,the comparison between, Chrysler,Lockheed,Grumman
and Boeing.

Thank you Stargazer,


by the way,the picture 13 was a McDonnell Douglas twin fuselage concept.
 

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A great NASA report,speaks about Rockwell 161C,and some shuttle concepts;


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19720013230_1972013230.pdf
 

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Here is a Rockwell Space Shuttle designs,a strange booster in
picture 5,6,7 and 8.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710008963_1971008963.pdf
 

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That's a goldmine!

Thanks a lot Hesham :)
 

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Thank you my dear Pometablava.
 

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Thank you my dear Michel,


and here is a Rockwell Shuttle wing configurations;


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790013835_1979013835.pdf
 

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Hi,


  • Parallel expendable solid rocket motors. Proposed concepts: [1] McDonnell-Douglas/Martin Marietta, [5] North American Rockwell/General Dynamics, [8] Grumman/Boeing.
  • Parallel recoverable pressure-fed liquid rocket boosters. [2] McDonnell-Douglas/Martin Marietta, [4] North American Rockwell/General Dynamics, [7] Grumman/Boeing.
  • A single recoverable pressure-fed liquid rocket booster. [3] McDonnell-Douglas/Martin Marietta, [6] North American Rockwell/General Dynamics.
  • A single recoverable liquid rocket booster derived from the Saturn S-IC stage. [9] Grumman/Boeing.
 

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Hesham, may I make a suggestion when pasting text from other sources?
Paste your copied text into a blank text document on your computer. Copy the text again from there, then paste it here on the forum. I do this all the time to avoid this kind of issue.
 

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OK my dears,


but I can't fix it now.
 

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Graham1973 said:
Sorry about the lack of specs on this one, but it's a cool picture dating from shortly after the final decision on which shuttle they were going to build.
better resolution

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/7142849071/in/photostream/

from the San Diego Air & Space Museum Archives
 

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Some more of Junior Miranda's work, this one illustrating a proposed Proposed Shuttle-Salyut mission from the late '70s:​


From, and briefly mentioned in this Beyond Apollo article.​

The 1977 ASTP repeat proposal gained little traction. Though talks aimed at a U.S. Shuttle docking with a Soviet Salyut space station had resumed in May 1975, no plans for additional U.S.-Soviet manned missions existed when the ASTP Apollo splashed down. Shuttle-Salyut negotiators made progress in 1975-1976, but the U.S. deferred signing an agreement until after the results of the November 1976 election were known.

In May 1977, the sides formally agreed that a Shuttle-Salyut mission should occur. In September 1978, however, NASA announced that talks had ended pending results of a comprehensive review. Following the December 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, work toward joint U.S.-Soviet manned space missions was abandoned. It would resume a decade later as the Soviet Union underwent radical internal changes that led to its collapse in 1991 and the rebirth of the Soviet space program as the Russian space program.
 

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There was actually artwork done of that Salyut docked to a shuttle. However, I think I've only seen it as a photocopy on a paper report. Presumably the actual artwork was kept at one of the centers, probably JSC.
 

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http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a060462.pdf
 

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McDonnell Douglas space shuttle concept model found on eBay.

URL:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/Themes/Aeroish/images/bbc/quote.gif
http://www.ebay.com/itm/McDonnell-Douglas-Vintage-Piggyback-Conceptual-Space-Shuttle-Desk-Model-/321099750509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac3095c6d

Seller's description:

Genuine manufacturer's resin model of McDonnell Douglas' space shuttle concept. Booster stage is 9" long, with 5" wingspan. The model could maybe use a light cleaning, and there are a few very small paint chips, and one equally small decal chip. Front locator pin for the shuttle stage is sheared off, but the shuttle still displays solidly on the booster. Wooden base and nameplate are in good condition.
 

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Probably posted in some place or in other format (b/w) in this forum.


Source: Le Fana de L'Aviation 1997-10 (335), page 52 & 53
 

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Hello there,

It is a very interesting forum of yours, space projecters... A lot of wonderful technical stuffs here. :p

So i have a question for you, as I found no answers in the threads.

Does anyone knows about this Space Shuttle Hybrid Boosters project ?

The picture is from the book : George P Sutton - Rocket Propulsion Elements - 7th edition p580.

I have no idea of the year or the contractor that made the study, but I would love to get the specs of that lovely beast.
 

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http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a091420.pdf

Examines organizational and procurement
issues surrounding NASA-DoD cooperation for
a specific case study--DoD use of NASA
standard spacecraft. Space shuttle operation,
as the U.S. standard launch vehicle
for both NASA and DoD payloads, refocuses
attention on NASA-DoD cooperation. Use of
standard spacecraft designs offers reduced
operational costs, but intensifies the difficulty
of determining agency needs and responsibilities
while retaining mission responsiveness.
A modified system-impact-assessment
approach compares total costs of
alternative procurement options and applies
both sensitivity and a fortiori analyses to
manage uncertainty. Principal conclusions
are: use of a new standard spacecraft design,
rather than any original NASA or DoD
designs, provides the basis for minimizing
the cost of the Air Force Test Program;
factors essential to NASA-DoD cooperation
are a common subset of missions, a common
organization responsibility, and an extensive
period of time to develop the organizational
mechanics; and the successful
NASA-DoD cooperation model is not easily
transferred to other situations. 207 pp.
 

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Currently for sale on eBay, these real NASA photos of awesome Space Shuttle concepts from the future, going into like, outer space!!
 

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The links on the first page are dead anyone got updates
 

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First page? Everything works for me. Give some examples of no-working urls.
 

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. http://www.abo.fi/~mlindroo/SpaceLVs/Slides/index.htm does this work for you
 

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I am trying to draw a timeline of most In-Line shuttle Derived LVs toward SLS.
I found this pic from Wikipedia about a mysterious Morton Thiokol proposal from 1978 or 1979. It seems to be the first In Line LV studied but I did not find any details anywhere so far.

Does anyone knows the specs of that LV ?
 

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A couple of images of an early McDonnell-Douglas proposal.





Both are courtesy of the Project Apollo NASSP Wiki. The original documentation is offline due to the "Cry Wolfe" incident.
 

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Hi,


I found those three different Shuttle projects in the magazine,Flieger Revue 10/1980,can anyone
ID them ?.
 

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Hi,


the oblique wing fitted with shuttle booster,oblique wing report.
 

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Hi,


http://www.pmview.com/spaceodysseytwo/spacelvs/sld021.htm
http://www.pmview.com/spaceodysseytwo/spacelvs/sld023.htm
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[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.pmview.com/spaceodysseytwo/spacelvs/sld033.htm[/font]
 

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Hi,


https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/naa-phase-b-sts-proposal-still-audacious/
https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/tag/usa/page/26/
 

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