Lockheed-California Earth-to-space shuttle of 1964

hesham

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Hi,

Lockheed-California was carrying out studies into Earth-to-space "shuttle" vehicles for
NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. In this proposal the three-stage recoverable
vehicle was launched by a hot-water propulsion rocket sled.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1964/1964%20-%200493.html
 

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My dears and my friends,

can anybody make a sketch or drawing to this Lockheed project ?,or
may be one can ID it,Lockheed CL-?.
 

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Patience please hesham
i need time to dig true my databank

from Marcus Lindroos - "death" homepage
Lockheed investigated the economics of reusable launch vehicles for crews and light space station cargo during the early 1960s. Anticipated space activites in the 1970s included a two-phase Earth-orbital space station program, a lunar base, and early Mars mission plus later Mars/Venus mission... Since the baseline "System I" 6-man Apollo CSM/Saturn-IB vehicle appeared to be uneconomical as a high-volume manned transportation system even if the crew capsule could be reused 10 times, Lockheed proposed a "System II" that would have retained the Saturn IB booster but replaced the Apollo with a new reusable 10-man spaceplane (below). This third stage spaceplane was standard for Systems III & IV as well.

the Picture show "System IV" airbreathing HTHL TSTO ramjet-rocketplane.

again Marcus Lindroos
System IV is otherwise identical to System III but uses a different booster aircraft with in-flight LOX collection + ramjet propulsion Both vehicles would be launched from a ground accelerator sled and fly orbit-once-around missions to deploy the small DynaSoar-like interorbital third stage "space taxi" containing the crew & cargo. The System III & IV requirements were as follows: 95% mission reliability (0.1% vehicle attrition rate). 2950kg payload & 10 passenger capability. 7.5 day min. turnaround between missions (11-23 days nominal). Mission life of 500 flights. Flight rates of 100-300 missions per year in 1973-80. The estimated costs were in the $6.8M (50 flts/yr.)-$1.275M (400 flts/yr.) range. These figures are in FY 1964 dollars; the inflation-adjusted cost in 1999 would be $6.85M - $36.5M per flight.

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"Potential of Recoverable Booster Systems for Orbital Logistics" -- Bailey & Kelly, Astronautics & Aeronautics 1964/January/p.54
 

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from Marcus Lindroos death home page
...Wait! Is Marcus dead, or did something get lost in the translation again? ??? ???
 

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OM said:
from Marcus Lindroos death home page
...Wait! Is Marcus dead, or did something get lost in the translation again? ??? ???

i don't know...
i was referring to his homepage, how is now quite death (404)
 

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...Haven't we discussed this on another thread fairly recently? Wish I could recall the topic header so I could (probably unsuccessfully) search for it.
 

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OM said:
...Haven't we discussed this on another thread fairly recently? Wish I could recall the topic header so I could (probably unsuccessfully) search for it.

thanks , wish take the topic .
 

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that's Lockheed "System IV" airbreathing HTHL TSTO ramjet-rocketplane.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6741.0.html
 

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Michel Van said:
that's Lockheed "System IV" airbreathing HTHL TSTO ramjet-rocketplane.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6741.0.html

...Thought so! The memory isn't *quite* failed yet :p
 

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Re: Lockheed-California Earth-to-space shuttle project of 1964......

Dear Boys and Girls, here is a little picture with a caption in French of the Lockheed-California 3-stage shuttle "project" of "1964"......

The picture comes from the 15th September 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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And from anther site;


http://www.pmview.com/spaceodysseytwo/spacelvs/sld004.htm
 

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carmelo said:
But the orbital vehicle is a Dyna Soar?


only in it aerodynamic form
internal it look quite different
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Some better versions of the images. A few more images over HERE.

Note that the designs date from 1963, not 1964.
 

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And then contractors were looking at something similar 30 years later. Didn't make sense after three decades either.
 
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