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So here's a what if:

The US marines are retiring 20+ young hueys, how about the RAF either loan or buy them for a short fill in, whilst waiting for V-280 or SB-1??


I wish lol in fact hand on heart a soft spot in me wishes that quarter of a century ago, the AAC selected the Bell AH-1W FBW (which Bell teamed up with then GEC Avionics) instead of the AH-64D.

But the UH-1Y does not fill the Puma capability sadly not can it be intergrated in Joing Helicopter Command.

The article(s) on some imminent AH-1Z retirement (esepcially about the Kanoehe Bay ones) is not so crystal clear, it might be some of the early ones perhaps converted from AH-1W (?). I doubt any UH-1Y be retired.

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Most would probably end up in mothball, rather than being retired out of the service completely.


Going somewhat off topic, but I still wish the AAC chose the Mangusta as their attack helicopter. But, I guess we can all dream.


Back to the topic at hand :).
 

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Most would probably end up in mothball, rather than being retired out of the service completely.


Going somewhat off topic, but I still wish the AAC chose the Mangusta as their attack helicopter. But, I guess we can all dream.


Back to the topic at hand :).

likewise too

Anyhow the Probs were twofold

1) Apparent, when it was firing trials over Salisbury Plain, the Mangusta could not hit targets properly at the time.

2) How much it could carry was not up to AAC spec

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Here's another article about the Puma replacement program


TBH, UKDJ isn’t all gospel and time and time again I have corrected their FB posts as they’ve got the wrong a/c type designation or described an a/c program incorrectly.

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<-----------Here. Read all about the AAC and the Mangusta.


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Paper talk . . . ?
Or subtle lobbying.


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Robin.
Speaking as someone who takes anything they read in that paper with a large dose of scepticism, especially about aviation, I would say lobbying, Leonardo had a go last week...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...l-britain-aw149-leonardo-uk-integrated-review

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More Chinooks were always on the cards, they have been talking it for a long while.
With no Herks they will rely on the Chinook even more.
 

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It's still relevant, so might as well post it.

I've seen that the AW149 variant being offered to the UK may carry weapons, will it carry them, if it enters service?
 

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It's still relevant, so might as well post it.

I've seen that the AW149 variant being offered to the UK may carry weapons, will it carry them, if it enters service?

Brimstone no less!

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It's still relevant, so might as well post it.

I've seen that the AW149 variant being offered to the UK may carry weapons, will it carry them, if it enters service?

I'd be shocked if it got much more than door guns, at least at first. The Apaches should be there to handle the armed mission, after all, and weapons integration does cost money.
 
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I think 149 has a good chance with the ability to be produced in the UK. Blackhawk option will be waved as an "economic" option with little integration required (I think).
 

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Since the AW149 has the ability to be built in the UK, it has the greatest chances of winning the contract, as it will provide jobs, something the Government is promoting due to the post-Brexit and COVID environment.
 

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Airbus again proposing UK build options for the H175:

"While Airbus Helicopters UK is located at Oxford Airport, expansion of the site may not be required to house an assembly line for the NMH, as the wider Airbus group has a “lot of real estate in the UK”."

Airbus Helicopters claims Chinese content on H175 can be replaced if offered to UK military

Reports from a Westland Group on Facebook suggest that AW189 I-RAIU has been repainted as an AW149 demonstrator.

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Given the close/dependent relationship with the US military more Chinooks plus a smallish number of Blackhawks or Hueys for specialised roles (US Marines still use modern Hueys) must be a real possibility.
The AW149 might be a runner as EH101/Wildcat need a successor built in UK and Leonardo are the only candidate for that.
 

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Given the close/dependent relationship with the US military more Chinooks plus a smallish number of Blackhawks or Hueys for specialised roles (US Marines still use modern Hueys) must be a real possibility.
The AW149 might be a runner as EH101/Wildcat need a successor built in UK and Leonardo are the only candidate for that.

There's a multi-national program underway to build a brand new medium type to replace Merlin etc. The UK is leading the concept phase.
 

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Almost forgot about this thread, it's been a while.

On a different note, is the H175 still in the running, or was it never truly in the race from the start? I'm beginning to get the feeling this is turning into a one-horse race....
 

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Would a UK built AW149 get BERP rotor blades? Looks good to me anyway :)
 

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Would a UK built AW149 get BERP rotor blades? Looks good to me anyway :)

The AW149 already has shaped tips (raked plus a pretty prominent anhedral) to optimize for lift in hover, apparently. No reason to tear up that work, especially if the goal is a minimum change aircraft on the cheap.
 

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Hard for me to see any other route for the UK, if they elect to go forward with a program prior to NGRC, that does not include a significant component of the program being done there.
 

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The 175 looks promising. See the perfs and weight: it slightly lighter, cruise a little bit faster and significantly farther.
More powerful engine (PT6 - scalable) could even brings some better dynamics or sling loads when needed.
 

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I had the opportunity To fly in said AW149 NMH (New Medium Helicopter). This particular AW149 powered by twin Safran Aneto enginesdemonstrator last week so thanks to all at Leonardo for organizing the event, over Glastonbury Tor and RNAS Yeovilton and race to south coast.

So here are my photos below …

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Lockheed Martin are still mulling over whether to submit the UH-60 Blackhawk.
Its seems the stumbling block is how to get a UK partner on board to meet the Defence Industrial Strategy. No way they would let Leonardo or Airbus licence-build it, hard to see what other options there are though.

https://www.flightglobal.com/defenc...WW2k2eVjnhyXB4Wd2ZBei-1yTpT_PLf_UNLIOiFT9CzBw
Maybe Marshalls? or whatever is left of Shorts/Bombardier/whatever in Northern Ireland. About the only 'airframe' builders I can think of....
 

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It has been said that the AW149 cabin is smaller than the Puma's maybe so but I'd disagree, I've spent far too much time in both (AW189 rather than AW149) and I'd say the 189/149 is better sized as far as its proportions go.

Would you agree Raven One?

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It has been said that the AW149 cabin is smaller than the Puma's maybe so but I'd disagree, I've spent far too much time in both (AW189 rather than AW149) and I'd say the 189/149 is better sized as far as its proportions go.

Would you agree Raven One?

Chris
I concur Chris.

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