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Thanks Anderman, now I know the true source of the information that wiki used.
There is of course the possibility that the EDR article pulled it from wiki and then the German wiki pulled it from EDR. Waterline is stated at 39m, Gerald Ford Class is stated at 41m, QE Class also 39m. Gerald Ford deck width is 78m, QE deck width is 73m. 75m seems more likely, unless the 85m includes the over-hanging weapons placements off the side.The german Wiki also has a width of 85 m and it source is this article of EDR.
French Navy new generation aircraft carrier design detailed - EDR Magazine
EDR reveals further details on the French Navy new generation aircraft carrier that was unveiled by the French DGA during Euronaval 2022www.edrmagazine.eu
yeah, I fully expected France's next carrier to be that kind of size.Looks like big-deck flattops make sense, i.e China and now France. And France is returning to nuke power with their PA-NG, plus the French make very good commercial reactors which power their country as well.
Toulon in particular can take a Nimitz class CVN in one drydock.Neither Toulon or Brest have any major restrictions.
And France is returning to nuke power with their PA-NG (...)
yeah, I fully expected France's next carrier to be that kind of size.
The only issue I have with French reactors is that they use LEU, which means they need to be refueled much more often. On the subs, they have a bolted on hatch for access to save them from cutting into the hull every 7-8 years. I don't know how that will work around all the stuff that is between the reactors and the flight deck, and I suspect poorly.
As per the article, construction planned to begin in 2026 and completion projected for 2038. So therefore probably in service around 2038-2040.Order for PANG confirmed for 2025, I wonder when the inservice date will be eventually? Considering how long it took the QE carriers to get built.
It’s a little faster than that.As per the article, construction planned to begin in 2026 and completion projected for 2038. So therefore probably in service around 2038-2040.
Seems long, but the US does take a decade to spit out a carrier from Newport News...As per the article, construction planned to begin in 2026 and completion projected for 2038. So therefore probably in service around 2038-2040.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense, thanks!It’s a little faster than that.
2024-25: Long lead time items ordered (nuclear reactor, catapults etc)
2030-31: Construction starts, assembly of hull blocks (18 months)
2032-34: Launch & fitting out alongside
Early 2035: Sea trials in the Atlantic (on diesel generators)
Mid 2035: Transfer to Toulon for nuclear fueling, combat system installation, full propulsion and combat system trials
Late 2036/early 2037: Acceptance trials & delivery
2037: Work ups and first deployment
2038: Commissioning into active service
This calendar is driven by St Nazaire’s already full workload (they must find a production slot and build the hull very fast in between cruise ships), and the fact that only Toulon is nuclear qualified. Also Toulon has more experience with combat systems. So St Nazaire will build and fit out the hull almost as if this was a civilian vessel, then Toulon will handle the military aspects.
Which is good as they have time to fix Problems as CdG probaly isn't FCAS NGF compatibleStill faster than the french-german SCAF. And Rafale M will make the interim as long as needed. CDG can last a long time too, Foch and Clem were 40 years old were retired. Clemenceau was in poor shape but Foch was planned to last until 2004 in french service, and Brazil stretched that.
Still faster than the french-german SCAF. And Rafale M will make the interim as long as needed. CDG can last a long time too, Foch and Clem were 40 years old were retired. Clemenceau was in poor shape but Foch was planned to last until 2004 in french service, and Brazil stretched that.
Triple the navy and your problems are gone well except the budget of courseFrance really needs to find the crew and escorts to have 3 carriers...
The plan for PAMG is 5-6 billion euros so we would be looking at 15-18 billion if they make it right. Still this doesn't include crew, aircrafts and there group. I think an fully equiped 3 Carrier strike group would sit at around ~60 billion euros (give or take some 10 billions)How much would three 75,000 tonne nuclear powered aircraft carriers cost for France (that is if they go for three).
The plan for PAMG is 5-6 billion euros so we would be looking at 15-18 billion if they make it right. Still this doesn't include crew, aircrafts and there group. I think an fully equiped 3 Carrier strike group would sit at around ~60 billion euros (give or take some 10 billions)
Yes tought we still sit with an luxury line of super large ships. At the same time we never know what happens which can increase or decrease cost.Repeat builds should be cheaper, if they’re done smartly.
PoW was around 3/4's of the price of QE due to lessons learned.Repeat builds should be cheaper, if they’re done smartly.
CdG sidekick timeline
-1980-1986-2000 : a CdG clone
-2000-2008 : CVF, a sibling of what became the Queen Elizabeth carriers
- 2008 when Sarko dropped CVF: CdG alone
-Since 2020: PA-NG to replce CdG around 2040. No second ship planned so far.
I do think that the French Navy should build at least three PANG carriers that is if they can source the neccesary funds for them and not just build one like the Charles de Gaule, they made a mistake in building just the Charles de Gaule and not build another one.
France really needs to find the crew and escorts to have 3 carriers...
Where did all the money go Archibald? I am surprised at that.
No way. No money. And the exploding debt won't help, plus that new government of morons... (sorry, I'm unfair with morons: apologies to morons for that comparison).
Holy crap! didn't realize it was that bad!!!The frigate programs since 25 years has been a litany of false starts and new starts, the number of escorts has shrunk dramatically, and this is for CdG alone. Not specialist of ships, but the objective of 27 frigates has shrunk to 18 or even less.