New Chinese Type 055 Destroyer

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So these VLS can do both cold and hot launches?

Didn't we figure out that the do hot launches by building an exhaust plenum into the canister, so hot launch allows for smaller missiles than cold launch?
Very likely colod launch allows larger missiles but the larger cell allow integral plenums for hot launching smaller missiles. Still, we're seeing a Sizzler (YJ-18A?) being hot-launched and it's a good 2m longer than Tomahawk.
 

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According to this, they have 355 large naval ships with projected number reaching 420 in next four years and 460 ships by 2030. That does not include 85 cruise missile armed patrol boats that will also take active role in a major naval war with US.

They have had numerical dominance (not to mention the advantage of home court in any potential matchup with US navy) but now they are rapidly moving toward platform dominance (their 003 aircraft carrier is very close in tonnage to ford class with future nuclear powered one probably matching, and their destroyers 055 already surpassing ours in term of tonnage).

And US navy is still spending more money than them. This isn't just shame. It's a crime scene in which the American taxpayers are the victims.
 

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According to this, they have 355 large naval ships with projected number reaching 420 in next four years and 460 ships by 2030. That does not include 85 cruise missile armed patrol boats that will also take active role in a major naval war with US.

They have had numerical dominance (not to mention the advantage of home court in any potential matchup with US navy) but now they are rapidly moving toward platform dominance (their 003 aircraft carrier is very close in tonnage to ford class with future nuclear powered one probably matching, and their destroyers 055 already surpassing ours in term of tonnage).

And US navy is still spending more money than them. This isn't just shame. It's a crime scene in which the American taxpayers are the victims.
The Type 055, 8 and counting, is superior RIGHT NOW to the Ticonderoga replacement the USN might have in a decade or two. We could have a Zumwalt with SPY-6, and better than the Type 055s in every way, right now but no.
 
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The Type 055, 8 and counting, is superior RIGHT NOW to the Ticonderoga replacement the USN might have in a decade or two. We could have a Zumwalt with SPY-6, and better than the Type 055s in every way, right now but no.
It's number and quality. Navy can only afford 1 or the other because we had the brilliant idea of transform the whole fleet into a littoral low intensity 21st century navy early 2000's so now we retiring ships faster than we can build them. No administration (repub or dem) want the optics of reducing ship numbers (it's brought up every presidential debate for the last 20 years) to build cruiser version of zumwalt in significant number. The brilliant idea of a whole fleet of multirole stealth fighter across service rather than a high low mix of upgraded f-14 and deep strike stealth platform in limited number like that of air force didn't help either.

So fast foward to now, we end up with both numerical and platform inferiority.
 

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According to this, they have 355 large naval ships with projected number reaching 420 in next four years and 460 ships by 2030. That does not include 85 cruise missile armed patrol boats that will also take active role in a major naval war with US.
Well 223 of that number seem to be coast guard cutters....

Tonnage and numbers doesn't necessarily matter very much - as the Moskva incident shows, you can be sitting in a 18,000 ton steel behemoth tricked out with hypersonic cruise missiles and multiple SAMs but its the quality of the crew that is the difference between effectiveness and joining Davey Jones' locker.

Sure China might build another 65 boats/ships in 4 years but that's 65 additional crews to find. Even in a population of billions there are only so many who are qualified to enter the PLAN and there are only so many experienced senior personnel for training. Rapidly expanding fleets can get short of experienced manpower to leaven out the conscript mass.

Mod hat on, this topic is now best suited for the military section as it's past the project phase and very little content here is actually project related.
 

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Yes, raw numbers of missiles, etc only tell part of the story. Its not only crew quality, but also design experience and emphasis, attention to damage control, ancillary and supply vessels....
 

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