Messerschmitt Me 309/509 Projects & Prototypes

[blackkite]

By the way - is the "Me 509" a real project or a postwar fake?

If only we have the original drawing of 509........

 

[hesham]

By the way - is the "Me 509" a real project or a postwar fake?

What ?.

 

[Grzesio]

A single wartime drawing, document, whatever...
I've just encountered information, the 509 was given birth in the 1970s by a certain book author angry that another authors just copied information from books or articles, without any archive research. And so his freshly invented story on the 509 was quickly multiplied in other publications...

 

[newsdeskdan]

A single wartime drawing, document, whatever...
I've just encountered information, the 509 was given birth in the 1970s by a certain book author angry that another authors just copied information from books or articles, without any archive research. And so his freshly invented story on the 509 was quickly multiplied in other publications...

There was definitely an Me 409 (what would become the Me 155) and an Me 609 (test-ready Me 262) but I've never seen a single mention of an Me 509 anywhere in period documents. It's not impossible that it briefly existed but it seems doubtful.

 

[blackkite]

I imagine that German engineers thought that which is better P-39 and P-51?

 

[Raa]

Re: Messerschmitt Me 309 versions

A very interesting article about the Messerschmitt Me 309 is published in the August 2017 issue of the German magazine Klassiker der Luftfahrt. IMHO some unseen new pictures of the the flight tests are featured in this article.
You can also buy and download the article at their website.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt....tt-me-309-die-letzte-09/734200/paidattachment

I can't find that magazine. I am very curious, could you please give me some more details?

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Re: Messerschmitt Me 309 versions

A very interesting article about the Messerschmitt Me 309 is published in the August 2017 issue of the German magazine Klassiker der Luftfahrt. IMHO some unseen new pictures of the the flight tests are featured in this article.
You can also buy and download the article at their website.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt....tt-me-309-die-letzte-09/734200/paidattachment

I can't find that magazine. I am very curious, could you please give me some more details?

The magazine containing the Me 309 article you mention appears at this link:

Klassiker der Luftfahrt

www.flugrevue.de

 

[Raa]

Re: Messerschmitt Me 309 versions

A very interesting article about the Messerschmitt Me 309 is published in the August 2017 issue of the German magazine Klassiker der Luftfahrt. IMHO some unseen new pictures of the the flight tests are featured in this article.
You can also buy and download the article at their website.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt....tt-me-309-die-letzte-09/734200/paidattachment

I can't find that magazine. I am very curious, could you please give me some more details?

The magazine containing the Me 309 article you mention appears at this link:

Klassiker der Luftfahrt

www.flugrevue.de

Thank you.

By the way, I don't know if there is a demand for it, but I think I'll compile the currently confirmed photos of Me 309 V1 here.

 

[Raa]

and Me 309 V2

Me 309 was also created V3 and V4, but unfortunately no photos of these two aircraft have been found. Of these, the V3 was considered for export to the Japanese ally.

 

[riggerrob]

Dear Raa,

So both GE+CU and GE+CV crashed?

re. photo Scan 2022-01-22-120105.jpg
Are those external balance weights bolted to the propeller blade hubs?

 

[Foo Fighter]

Were these aircraft flown by the allies post war?

 

[Raa]

So both GE+CU and GE+CV crashed?

Yes.
GE+CU (Me 309 V1) was repaired after the accident.
However, GE+CV (Me 309 V2) made its first flight with Karl Baur at the controls, but had an accident on landing, and ended up like the one in the photo. Mischievous Karl
After that, the Me 309 V2 was not repaired and probably scrapped.

Are those external balance weights bolted to the propeller blade hubs?

In the photo, the top propeller looks like that, but I'm not sure about the bottom two propellers.

Edit:
If you look closely again, you will see that the balance weight in the front does indeed appear to be attached with bolts. You can't see the base of the balance weight at the back, but it is probably bolted on as well.

Were these aircraft flown by the allies post war?

Nope.

Me 309 V1 (GE+CU) was abandoned in the field after it was rejected in 1943. It was later found by the US Army, but was probably scrapped. The third photo in my post #48 is the Me 309 V1 taken by the US Army.
Me 309 V2 (GE+CV) was not repaired and probably scrapped after it had an accident on its first flight.
Me 309 V3 (GE+CW) was destined for export. This aircraft was purchased by Lieutenant General Osamu Ohtani, a Japanese resident military officer who was interested in German technology at the time. He purchased the Me 309 V3 and a set of drawings for 1.2 million Reichsmark.
However, the Me 309 V3 was destroyed in a night bombing run that lasted from February 25 to 26, 1944.
Me 309 V4 (GE+CX) was also destroyed in an air raid.

As you can see, all of the prototype Me 309s were either scrapped or destroyed in air raids, and unfortunately were never flown by the Allies.

 

[Foo Fighter]

Thanks very much, appreciated.

 

[Raa]

I'll also post pictures of the Bf 109 V23, which were used as experimental aircraft for landing gear before the Me 309 prototype was built

 

[Raa]

And here is a picture of a Bf 109 V31 used to test the retractable radiator.

 

[hesham]

From Fly Past 1987/10,

the Messerschmitt Me.609.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roit4Odw3UY

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

Messerschmitt Me-309, Fighter

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/94323942-s-jpg.672600/

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/me309-v4-jpg.548053/

　↑　Nose gear cover is complicated and retractable radiator is impressive.

 

[blackkite]

Classic Resin 1/48 Me-309 by Scott Van Aken