Grey is the new black...
Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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Wikipedia has a pic.Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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F-22A can carry AIM-120s externally, but it haven´t seen it yet except for testing.
When you´ve pics of the contrary, please share them.
Wikipedia has a pic.Forgot about F-22s carrying AIM-120s externally. Yes, they're rail launched in that condition. No, rail launch doesn't magically turn the AIM-120 into a dogfight missile. It has the same functionality whether it's rail launched or ejected.The 22 doesn't carry any missiles externally like the 15? Ever? Like when its carrying drop tanks? I know the 15 uses a mix of options for amraam. I am just asking if the amraam is a "dogfight" missile when not fired from rail. If its not then the 35 doesn't have a dogfight missile except externally carried. I don't type out everything on a tablet because it constantly screws up words. Recall 35 phot firing 9x while in a roll? That's a dogfight missile.Well that's also I suppose part of the question, although the 15 carries them on rails likesidewinders. The 22 has the 9x on rails. I amnot a military pilot but are there not limitations when not launching off rails like a bottle rocket?
The F-22 does not launch AIM-120s off rails. The F-15 does it both ways (rails and ejectors) depending on where it's mounted.
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F-22A can carry AIM-120s externally, but it haven´t seen it yet except for testing.
When you´ve pics of the contrary, please share them.
AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
Do you honestly believe they wouldn't carry more if they needed to?AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
I must correct myself: It is with no less then 8 external amraams, and it is a ...¨PS-job of the F-22 with the 2 external amraams![]()
Would be hard to find the source now, but some F-22 project manager said the external amraam will never happen because of some aerodynamics/stress problems. Or to be more precise, I think it was the second (outter) hardpoint that led to those problems.AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
I must correct myself: It is with no less then 8 external amraams, and it is a ...¨PS-job of the F-22 with the 2 external amraams![]()
Do you honestly believe they wouldn't carry more if they needed to?AFAIK, there exists also 1 pic (only?) of an F-22 testing an external load of 4 amraams.
I must correct myself: It is with no less then 8 external amraams, and it is a ...¨PS-job of the F-22 with the 2 external amraams![]()
Don't you think that the F-22 thread is better to talk about that ? F-22 is not 6th generation fighter.
some interesting news, not about the F-22 itself but about a famed F-22 pilot and the harassment she gave
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Maj. Gen. Dunlop created toxic environment in top secret program office, IG finds
Several witnesses told investigators they were shocked to see Maj. Gen. Dawn Dunlop grab a subordinate's hand.www.airforcetimes.com
That article really appears to be wildly off topic and I’d suggest those wishing to discuss it go to different more suitable websites for doing so.
I worked for a "engineering manager" like her at a large Detroit OEM. She even once berated a man with cancer and 20 years in the Army to the point people thought he was going to cry. Its amazing what idiotitc incompetents you get in management from PC affirmative action policies. Sorry if this violates rules but its a subject near and dear to me as I surrounded by this crap in engineering and had to say something. You can't have that kind of leadership in the military especially if she's in charge of "black" projects. Garbage leaders = garbage product. Quality people exit the ship quickly and find elsewhere to work.
To take the discussion back on topic.
USAF to launch ARES modernisation plan for F-22 fighter
The US Air Force (USAF) is to launch its latest modernisation drive for the Lockheed Martin F-22 combat aircraft, dubbed Advanced Raptor Enhancement and Sustainment...www.janes.com
Hopefully this won't be a victim of potential budget cuts.
The best modernization plan I have read about is PCA. New airframe, engines, and electronics.To take the discussion back on topic.
USAF to launch ARES modernisation plan for F-22 fighter
The US Air Force (USAF) is to launch its latest modernisation drive for the Lockheed Martin F-22 combat aircraft, dubbed Advanced Raptor Enhancement and Sustainment...www.janes.com
Hopefully this won't be a victim of potential budget cuts.
Any ideas as too what sort of equipment will be up for modernising?
If they can do that they can build more with later F-35 equipment.
That's not an F-22 modernization program.The best modernization plan I have read about is PCA. New airframe, engines, and electronics.To take the discussion back on topic.
USAF to launch ARES modernisation plan for F-22 fighter
The US Air Force (USAF) is to launch its latest modernisation drive for the Lockheed Martin F-22 combat aircraft, dubbed Advanced Raptor Enhancement and Sustainment...www.janes.com
Hopefully this won't be a victim of potential budget cuts.
Any ideas as too what sort of equipment will be up for modernising?
Any ideas as too what sort of equipment will be up for modernising?
So what happen to the Increment 1.3 and 1.4 upgrade on the F-22.
Have all been upgraded to latest standard?
So what happen to the Increment 1.3 and 1.4 upgrade on the F-22.
Have all been upgraded to latest standard?
I can't recall the older increments anymore. I believe all the combat coded fleet (~120 jets) is Block 30/35/40 and are all Increment 3.2B by now. I don't remember what increment the Block 20 (~40) jets are but I think they're Increment 2 at least.
How can you sell a plane that’s long out of production and the tooling has been scrapped.There might be some confusions and airplane mixing.
See the Time Of Israel (ToI) and their Source below.
The 10.4B$ is also for the 50 F-35 in the ToI when their source mention a plane needed to carry a 14t bomb, a plane they named F-22...
Trump approves selling F-22 Raptor to Israel -- Saudi report | The Times of Israel
www.timesofisrael.com
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Trump Approves F-22 Sale to Israel
US Defense Secretary Mark Esper arrived in Israel Thursday for a short visit and held a meeting with his Israeli counterpart, Benny Gantz, followed by a meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Esper informed the officials that President Donalenglish.aawsat.com
Conjunctural but the 14t might be the MoP and the plane, the Bone!!!
It was not scrapped. Otherwise all this sale history is absolute bsHow can you sell a plane that’s long out of production and the tooling has been scrapped.