For All Mankind - Apple TV Series

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I saw that. Now-a hypergolic tank could be smaller-perhaps part of the Space 1999 Eagle like horizontal lander with the capsule in the nose. It feeds into a Buran like hypergolic orbiter...then departs. The orbiter can stay or just loop back. I'd want a titanium airframe. Safer than Starship. Sea Dragon alone for one-way Lunar cargo missions, habs, Lunar Gemini escape craft, etc.
I wonder if SpaceX will ever come up with a Starship designed for horizontal orientation on the moon. Driving/walking off seems more user-friendly than elevators and ladders. Think mini, wingless, C-5 Galaxy.
 

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looking on Spacesuits in teaser
i thing its USA and USSR together on Mars !
Seems that Reagan and Andropov talks went further and ended up in join Mars mission
there were proposal during that time and at end of cold war
 

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Andropov in better health in this timeline? I haven't seen the series.
last episode of Season 2 happen in 1983

in Our time line Andropov died on 9 February 1984
In August 1983, he entered the Central Clinical Hospital in western Moscow on a permanent basis
Were he died age 70 do total kidney failure 7 months later.
 

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We are rather lucky his kidneys betrayed him. Had he lived 10 more years... (shudders).
I still never quite understood how a KGB chairman ended as Soviet leader. Should have been Chernenko after Brezhnev, he had been groomed for the job (and got it in the end).
 

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We are rather lucky his kidneys betrayed him. Had he lived 10 more years... (shudders).
I still never quite understood how a KGB chairman ended as Soviet leader. Should have been Chernenko after Brezhnev, he had been groomed for the job (and got it in the end).

Do we assume the butterflies are so big he has different kidneys than OTL.
 

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Popes and Premires were dropping more like flies...a pope or two droppedov as well...
 

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Some screencaps from the trailer. First the three spacecraft. My guesses are that the one with the big centrifuge is the private one from Helios Aerospace, called Phoenix 1; the one with the sphere is the Russian ship, Mars 94; and the other one is NASA's Soujourner.
 

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Same ships, different angles. Note the 'worm' logo on the third, Cyrillic lettering on another. Weirdly, that one is launched without a shroud. The concavity in the sphere recalls the design of the actual Soviet lunar lander.
 

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Three styles of EVA suit, as you'd expect. My guess is that the NASA ones have the Quasimodo backpacks, the Russians are in blue. There are massive pressurised rovers with a strong Ron Cobb vibe. Character in a blue suit standing by the lander, but 'HAB' makes more sense if the letters are Latin and not Cyrillic. Maybe the missions are cooperating - maybe not initially, but they find it necessary as the story develops. Plus an odd, box-like lander. Probably unmanned supply since there are no windows, though there is a docking port.
 

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A couple of images suggesting that all does not go well along the way and big screen display giving the mission names.

EDIT: After watching Ep 1, it seems as if either the private Phoenix mission was assembled using the Polaris Hotel as a construction shed or a propulsion system was attached to it and the whole damn thing was launched to Mars.
 

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It's too soon to leap to conclusions but while everything looks cool, I've the sense that the 'realism' is mostly stylistic. The Phoenix looks hugely ambitious and expensive for a first mission, so maybe it's just a space station and the real Phoenix isn't shown? Mars-94 launching without an aerodynamic shroud makes no sense and it appears to be an SSTO, refuelled in orbit since apparently it's on its way to mars looking much the way it did when it launched. Sojourner looks great but very Star Wars-y.
 
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Some years back an NTR craft called Terra Nova was on Discovery. The Soviet design should have been NEP.
I'd like to plug Anatoly Zak's book here. It has some great proposed NEP designs.
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Some fine illustrations based on this:


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There's this Energia design


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You're right. It's a missed opportunity.
 
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Some years back an NTR craft called Terra Nova was on Discovery. The Soviet design should have been NEP.
I'd like to plu Anatoly Zak's book here. It has some great proposed NEP designs.
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Some fine illustrations based on this:


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There's this Energia design


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You're right. It's a missed opportunity.
First of all I would want to see a solid engineering explanation/justification (in english) for that paper plane delta shape heat radiator design.
 
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First of all I would want to see a solid engineering explanation/justification (in english) for that paper plane delta shape heat radiator design.
The reactor's at the pointy end and the radiators (and everything else) are in the shadow cone of the radiation shield. Thermal radiators don't get cancer but nuclear radiation from the reactor can affect their materials nonetheless.
 

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Here is Terra Nova

Stan Borowski’s design I think

The NEP Bekuo designs

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That looks NTR though
 

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Just watched the first episode of season three.:cool: But I will watch it again over the weekend, before I give a review.
 

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What Happen during 1984 to 1996 ?
US and USSR divide the Moon under each other
Gary Harth become President in 1984 and 1988
Thatcher and allot of Toryes died as IRA blow up het Grand Hotel in Brighton.
They make a movie of Gordo and Tracy Stevens with Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid.
The James Webb Thomas o Pain Telescope is launch with Pathfinder to L2 earth sun
Two scientist manage nuclear Fusion funding the company HELIOS
US privatise Space Flight under President of 1992
Bill Clinton is running for president in 1992
 
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Michael, just one correction and two additions. :)
What Happen during 1984 to 1996 ?
US and USSR divide the Moon under each other
Gary Harth become President in 1984 and 1988
Thatcher and allot of Toryes died as IRA blow up het Grand Hotel in Brighton.
They make a movie of Gordo and Tracy Stevens with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid.
USA doesn't send troops to the Middle East to liberate Kuwait.
The James Webb Thomas o Pain Telescope is launch with Pathfinder to L2 earth sun
Two scientist manage nuclear Fusion funding the company HELIOS
US privatise Space Flight under President of 1992
Bill Clinton is running for president in 1992, just as like in our time line.
Here a spoiler heavy breakdown, recap & review of For All Mankind Season 3 Episode 1:
I haven't seen this episode twice, so I will give my own review later.
 

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i really enjoy the first episode of the "Polaris Inferno" ;)

Seems Margo life style is become more eccentric ?
i wondering what NASA is working on the Moon
That Nuclear Engine seems not a NERVA, i wonder if they work on Gas Core Reactor ?
 

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What Happen during 1984 to 1996 ?
US and USSR divide the Moon under each other
Gary Harth become President in 1984 and 1988
Thatcher and allot of Toryes died as IRA blow up het Grand Hotel in Brighton.
They make a movie of Gordo and Tracy Stevens with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman
The James Webb Thomas o Pain Telescope is launch with Pathfinder to L2 earth sun
Two scientist manage nuclear Fusion funding the company HELIOS
US privatise Space Flight under President of 1992
Here first two impressions from the first episode "Polaris Inferno", which I found on YouTube.
For All Mankind | Season 3 Intro (Tipp: Watch it in 0,5 times the speed or less. You might want to turn off the sound before. :cool:)
Polaris | For All Mankind
These links might be dead over the time..., if you are from the future. ;)
 

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The 90's...as I wanted them to be. Now for the series to end with the NERVA DY-100s..."It's been a long time..."
 

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i had really my fun with Episode 2 special with ending

Now we have our the TL version of Elon Musk with Google company.
 

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A couple of screencaps. Jamestown expansion (a second concentric ring) and Phoenix, the Polaris orbital hotel stuck on a propulsion stack.
 

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Here is Flight plan in detail
 

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A couple of screencaps. Jamestown expansion (a second concentric ring) and Phoenix, the Polaris orbital hotel stuck on a propulsion stack.
Here another screenshot of the Jamestown expansion in 1992.
Here a spoiler heavy breakdown, recap & review of For All Mankind Season 3 Episode 2:
Good episode, but like last season I skipped the "Mrs. Robinsons" scenes.
 

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Some screencapery. First, Phoenix, which seems to be about the size of Spaceball One.
 

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Another shot of Jamestown with Sojourner in the distance.
 

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Sojourner launches.
 

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I wonder if we're going to see a shot of it like this Peter Elson painting? There is likely an inspiration for the design, and Elson was clearly referencing 2001.
 

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Finally, Mars 94, already seen in the trailer.
 

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