Chinese aircraft carriers: Type 002 'Shandong', Type 003 'Fujian', Type 004

And long video here from Xinhua.

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lancer21 said:
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Yeah i don't know if J-15 flying off Liaoning back in 2012 or this day would be the greatest milestone yet for PLAN. Both are historic moments. A first is a first though.
 
lancer21 said:
Yeah i don't know if J-15 flying off Liaoning back in 2012 or this day would be the greatest milestone yet for PLAN. Both are historic moments. A first is a first though.
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Indeed, but I think Fujian and her air wing represent what the PLAN wants to be now and in the near future more than Liaoning which was a stepping stone by comparison.
 
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lancer21 said:
Yeah i don't know if J-15 flying off Liaoning back in 2012 or this day would be the greatest milestone yet for PLAN. Both are historic moments. A first is a first though.
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Yeah I remember back in 2012, it was huge on the internet, both in China and outside.
Lots of pictures and videos of people in China celebrating and imitating the shooter launch pose.

For me personally, this event is more interesting since the Fujian is a new ship with domestic catapults, unlike the Liaoning which was basically a renovated Varyag.
 
helmutkohl said:
this event is more interesting since the Fujian is a new ship with domestic catapults, unlike the Liaoning which was basically a renovated Varyag.
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Fujian is a domestic, clean sheet design. J-35 is a domestic clean sheet design. KJ-600 is a domestic clean sheet design. That's why it's a powerful symbol for the PLAN and PRC in general, the ship and majority of her complement embody the progress and quality of Chinese equipment in the 21st century. That they can design, build and operate their own super carrier, carrierborne stealth fighter and AEW&C aircraft.

Only J-15 is a Soviet/Russian carry over in that sense. And even these J-15T and J-15DT are significantly different to what their progenitor was.
 
Congratulations to the PLAN for successful launches and landings!

Side note: What's the ID abbreviation for a Chinese ship? Like USS as United States Ship. PRCS? PLANS?
 
If I remember correctly, it is very likely that China's electromagnetic catapult technology is not the same as America's electromagnetic catapult technology.

It should be PLANS.

Additionally, I recall that the official introduction of the Fujian ship included a plaque, which should be equipped with two J15 carrier-based aircraft squadrons, two J35 carrier-based aircraft squadrons, one J15D carrier-based aircraft squadron, one KJ600 early warning aircraft squadron, and two Z20 helicopter squadrons.
 
SUPER=BUG said:
If I remember correctly, it is very likely that China's electromagnetic catapult technology is not the same as America's electromagnetic catapult technology.
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I recall that apparently the Chinese use Direct Current EMALS for Fujian.

I have no clue how it work or implication of it use though lol.
 
thanix01 said:
I recall that apparently the Chinese use Direct Current EMALS for Fujian.

I have no clue how it work or implication of it use though lol.
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IIRC it's a medium voltage DC system with a supercapacitor/battery-based system. Should be less hairy in terms of reliability compared to the flywheel-based high voltage AC system of the EMALS.
 
I remember a certain academician in China who has conducted extensive research in this area. The medium-voltage direct current power system (MVDC Power System) he pioneered can almost be regarded as a milestone advancement in Chinese naval equipment.
The R&D team broke through several key technological barriers of medium-voltage direct current systems, bringing about a new transformation for ship power systems:

Multi-energy integration technology: This system can flexibly integrate diesel generators, gas turbines, and renewable energy generation devices, achieving efficient complementary use of multiple energy sources.

Efficient power transmission: Operating within a medium-voltage direct current range of 1.5kV to 50kV, it greatly reduces energy loss during the transmission process.

Modular design: The entire system adopts a modular design approach, which not only enhances the reliability of the equipment but also facilitates maintenance and upgrades.

Adaptive control technology: The system is equipped with intelligent power management and distributed control capabilities, allowing it to respond to load changes in real-time and optimize power supply efficiency.

Additionally, I would like to mention that this is a report on the research progress of China's medium-voltage direct current integrated power system from ten years ago.
 
I was very impressed with what the Chinese have achieved here. At first glance without reading the headline or looking at the details I thought it was looking at a picture of an American carrier.

The video was very interesting to watch!
 
EmoBirb said:
Fujian is a domestic, clean sheet design. J-35 is a domestic clean sheet design. KJ-600 is a domestic clean sheet design. That's why it's a powerful symbol for the PLAN and PRC in general, the ship and majority of her complement embody the progress and quality of Chinese equipment in the 21st century. That they can design, build and operate their own super carrier, carrierborne stealth fighter and AEW&C aircraft.

Only J-15 is a Soviet/Russian carry over in that sense. And even these J-15T and J-15DT are significantly different to what their progenitor was.
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To be fair, Fujian is about as clean sheet as J-15T. It's very clearly a 1143 family member, and not even the most radical one (1143.7 differed more from the rest than 003 does).
Same is true for KJ-600, which isn't clean sheet by any stretch of imagination.
The cleanest here is ironically J-35, (insert F-35 joke here).

None of it matters, however; what matters is capability and symbolism.
Supercarriers were visible crown of United States, a literal symbol of era of US naval hegemony; they came about right as Royal Navy was dissapearing into obscurity. Soviet navy never transformed into competitor from challenger.
Now, this crown is taken down, exactly as US navy is losing its hegemonic position.

And for this symbolism, similarity of chinese components to US ones is a big pro, not a con. It makes matching capability very visual: A against A, B against B. This is a powerful visual tool - as China has shown much more in the past, and DPRK does till this day.

And more believable, too - China isn't reinventing the 70-yr old wheel, fighting half ceuntury of experience with 0. They're diligently aiming at current level as a basepoint, and then competing from it.
 
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Ainen said:
To be fair, Fujian is about as clean sheet as J-15T. It's very clearly a 1143 family member, and not even the most radical one (1143.7 differed more from the rest than 003 does).
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It's based on the 1143 hull but just extra enlarged(No suprise here) but AFAIK the next carrier in DL is going with a completely new hull design probably due to nuclear propulsion.

Also apparently some rumors on the next generation carrier based AEW existing in some capacity.
 
Tomboy said:
It's based on the 1143 hull but just extra enlarged(No suprise here) but AFAIK the next carrier in DL is going with a completely new hull design probably due to nuclear propulsion.
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Very likely they have the full building documentation on Ulyanovsk and the archives on the development of 1160 (to which 003 is quite similar in structure and layout). But indeed it would be very interesting to see how 004 will look.
 
Martes said:
Very likely they have the full building documentation on Ulyanovsk and the archives on the development of 1160 (to which 003 is quite similar in structure and layout). But indeed it would be very interesting to see how 004 will look.
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We already know atleast partly, it's pretty similar to American carriers except larger.
 
Archibald said:
So it's kinda "official" that Fujian design is (loosely at least) related to 1160 and Ulyanovsk ?

Project 1153 Orel - Wikipedia

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Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk - Wikipedia

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From Varyag to Liaoning to Kuznetsov to Ulynanovsk, 40 years down the road USSR aircraft carriers are coming true... via China.
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It's not, it's simply that both 1160 and 003 is based off heavily modified 1143 as a starting point. So it's more like both share a common parent design
 

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