We have a whole bunch of threads, alt-history or not. But no full blown TL so far.
The POD: May 1972, common sense prevails: Convair Model 200 carries the day over Rockwell NAR-356. It becomes the XFV-12 interceptor for Zumwalt Sea Control Ship.
Even after that one is canned, two prototypes are...
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1980s
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ctol
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united states marine corps
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Avro Type 732
https://www.key.aero/article/paving-way
"There were many proposed developments of the Victor and Vulcan, including two supersonic derivatives, but neither came close to being built. The Avro 732 of 1956 was to have been powered by eight de Havilland Gyron Juniors, four in pairs...
https://www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/kelley-aerospace-unveils-supersonic-combat-drone-concept/142635.article
paywalled
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/supersonic-combat-drones-are-a-thing-now-thanks-to-kelley-aerospace-156837.html
Looks LO. Not sure how not having vertical stabilizer...
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The General Dynamics F-111 was a swing-wing tactical fighter, interdictor, nuclear bomber and electronic warfare aircraft developed in the early 1960s in the belief that requirements...
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air defense command
air-to-ground
bomber
cold war
department of defense
general dynamics
interceptor
nuclear battlefield
raf bomber command
royal air force
royal australian air force
strategic air command
strategic bomber
supersonic
tactical air command
united states
united states air force
united states navy
variable geometry
Despite being favoured over Bristol's design, AWA was not able to spare the staff to realise the ER.134T research aircraft requirement, and so Bristol was awarded the contract.
As we know Bristol's 188 took a long time and was hampered by the Gyron Junior engines.
But what if AWA had staff...
1960s
air ministry
alternate history
armstrong whitworth aircraft
avro 730
bristol aeroplane company
cold war
experimental
great britain
late 1950s
ministry of supply
operational requirement er.134t
royal air force
royal aircraft establishment
supersonic
Hi everyone,
IRL the US and UK jointly embarked on a complete Harrier redesign as the AV-8B as the US had no V/STOL alternative at the moment. But had the US chosen to finish development of the Convair Model 200 instead of the XVF-12A, and had this worked well enough to enter service, there...
alternate history
british aerospace plc
cold war
convair
fleet air arm
general dynamics
great britain
harrier
mcdonnell douglas
naval aviation
north atlantic treaty organisation
royal navy
sea harrier
subsonic
supersonic
united states
united states marine corps
united states navy
v/stol aircraft
vtol
There appears to be a 'merely' supersonic rival, from a company called Exosonic, though I suspect that it may be being funded as more of a back-up option.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/2/pentagon-takes-first-step-toward-building-superson/
(This thread originally began as part...
2010s
2020s
21st century
business jet
cold war ii
post-cold war
presidential and executive airlift directorate
supersonicsupersonic transport
united states
united states air force
vip transport
It is generally written in histories of Concorde thst the aircraft was not large enough and had insufficient range. But with the benefit of hindsight and the actual operations of British and French airlines might a smaller executive jet version have been a better bet and might still be in...
airliner
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business jet
cold war
french fifth republic
great britain
sst
strategic bomber
supersonicsupersonic transport
western europe
Back in the 1960s Boeing was telling everyone that its Supersonic 2707 transport would be the must-have airliner for the 1970s.
Some 26 airlines took out options on the plane.
There is a comprehensive thread about the US designs on this site, but no illustrations of the artwork Boeing must have...
1960s
1970s
aer lingus
airliner
boeing
civil aviation
cold war
éire
jet age
republic of ireland
space age
sst
supersonicsupersonic transport
western europe
In the very first Thnunderbirds Episode "Trapped in the Sky" the London Airport building features the letters BAOC (based on the British Airways predecessor BOAC) as a rival to the Air Terrainean company who flew the Fireflash.
As a BOAC fan I always hoped to see the BAOC version. So 50 years...
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alternate history
baoc
british overseas airways corporation
civil aviation
great britain
model
science fiction
sst
supersonicsupersonic transport
tv series
what-if
Of particular concern is information related to the Sea Dragon anti-ship missile program, a project of the Pentagon’s Strategic Capabilities Office that was being developed by submarine builder General Dynamics Electric Boat...
The Thunderbirds series from the 1960s featured in its first episode a wonderful airliner called Fireflash,
which was totally improbable but looked very cool.
In the series it crops up in a few episodes in the livery of "Air Terrainean", a sort of mixture of Pan American and BOAC.
However, in...
1960s
airliner
alternate history
civil aviation
cold war
great britain
jet age
nuclear powered aircraft
popular culture
science fiction
space age
supersonicsupersonic transport
tv series
Story hit Bloomberg yesterday. Former Computer Science guy wants to build a 40 seat Concorde, more at the link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-21/this-aerospace-company-wants-to-bring-supersonic-civilian-travel-back
It is notable that the design shows minimal concern for noise...
2020s
21st century
cold war ii
late 2010s
post-cold war
presidential and executive airlift directorate
supersonicsupersonic transport
united states
united states air force
vip transport
1983, rather than 1982 is a key date for decisions for the RN and UK defence as a whole, in the light of the Falklands and it's effect not just on defence thinking but on the UK populace's attitude to their country. As surely as it was to the political establishment.
But in terms of changes a...
1980s
1990s
aew
alternate history
anti-air warfare
anti-submarine warfare
anti-surface warfare
area air defence
cold war
cruiser
fleet air arm
great britain
north atlantic treaty organisation
nuclear powered vessels
royal navy
ssk
supersonic
v/stol aircraft
vstol carriers
vtol
air-launched ballistic missile
air-to-air missiles
anti-ship missile
cold war ii
hypersonic
republic of türkiye
srbm
subsonic
supersonic
surface-to-air missile
surface-to-surface missile
turkey
turkish air force
turkish army
turkish naval forces
turkish navy
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