Given their failure to produce anything really, its a bit much to blame it on the delayed DIP.

I find it hilarious.
The British branch of Stavatti, ooops, i've meant Aeralis, being around for more than a decade, receiving money from investors and the state, producing exactly zero in terms of hardware, goes down and it blames ... the Government...
 
Getting anything through flight-testing nowadays is going to cost you a billion up, so no one's getting there without either very generous shareholders, government support, or a contract. Aeralis gave it a good try, but in the end no one has come through with a contract before the money ran out. That's practically situation normal for the air mobility companies, so I don't see any real need to judge Aeralis more harshly than, say, Lilium. Comparing them to Stavatti seems distinctly unfair. You could also bring up the Textron Scorpion and Scaled Composites Ares as even bigger money sinks, but I don't see anyone queuing up to compare Burt Rutan to Stavatti.

Justin Bronk's comments to the BBC are fair in noting that the Aeralis design was a much higher risk than existing designs such as the T-7 et al, but I still think there was more to the Aeralis proposals than something like Stavatti, who've seemed more like this generation's AvPro, except with less grounding in reality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwp11v82lno

But this probably nails the real issue:

"The BBC has been told the company's main investor Barzan Holdings, the strategic investment and procurement arm of Qatar's Ministry of Defence, withdrew its funding amid the US-Israeli war with Iran."

So the Qataris thought Aeralis had something that was worth investing in, until they needed to throw everything into air defence when America stirred the hornet's nest.
 
Getting anything through flight-testing nowadays is going to cost you a billion up, so no one's getting there without either very generous shareholders, government support, or a contract. Aeralis gave it a good try, but in the end no one has come through with a contract before the money ran out. That's practically situation normal for the air mobility companies, so I don't see any real need to judge Aeralis more harshly than, say, Lilium. . Comparing them to Stavatti seems distinctly unfair.

Lilium or Stavatti?! Well, any sane Gov accountant would choose Stavatti with my full support*: at least no large sums of money, that could have seen a much better use, have ever been expended on the latter (for the same overall results as the former).

That a really weird choice of references my friend.

*a rare case of alignment
 
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Lilium or Stavatti?! Well, any sane Gov accountant would choose Stavatti with my full support*: at least no large sums of money, that could have seen a much better use, have ever been expended on the latter (for the same overall results as the former).

That a really weird choice of references my friend.

*a rare case of alignment
Lillium succeeded in flying an actual aircraft, I'm not sure Stavatti have even managed to fly a paper plane.
 
AN aircraft, really?! How can a 20 years or so member of this forum write such? C'mon.
 
Getting anything through flight-testing nowadays is going to cost you a billion up, so no one's getting there without either very generous shareholders, government support, or a contract. Aeralis gave it a good try, but in the end no one has come through with a contract before the money ran out. That's practically situation normal for the air mobility companies, so I don't see any real need to judge Aeralis more harshly than, say, Lilium. Comparing them to Stavatti seems distinctly unfair. You could also bring up the Textron Scorpion and Scaled Composites Ares as even bigger money sinks, but I don't see anyone queuing up to compare Burt Rutan to Stavatti.

Justin Bronk's comments to the BBC are fair in noting that the Aeralis design was a much higher risk than existing designs such as the T-7 et al, but I still think there was more to the Aeralis proposals than something like Stavatti, who've seemed more like this generation's AvPro, except with less grounding in reality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwp11v82lno

But this probably nails the real issue:

"The BBC has been told the company's main investor Barzan Holdings, the strategic investment and procurement arm of Qatar's Ministry of Defence, withdrew its funding amid the US-Israeli war with Iran."

So the Qataris thought Aeralis had something that was worth investing in, until they needed to throw everything into air defence when America stirred the hornet's nest.

In truth i've had doubts about Aeralis for the best part of a decade.
The main reason for those doubts was knowing full well that a) the chances of the UK MOD bankrolling the development of a completely new jet trainer were/are incredibly slim (the number of airframes needed to replace the Hawk are just a few dozens), b) even if by some miracle the UK MOD forked/forks out the cash for such a development then these chaps called "BAE" would almost certainly get the work, c) cant remember one single instance since... well... Folland (?) of a "start up" selling a manned jet to the RAF, d) the chances of the (cash strapped) HM treasury entrusting billions of pounds to a company that never flew anything were nill, d) a jet aircraft not bought by its home airforce doesnt have much of chance in the international market, e) the market for trainer jets is choke full of highly capable, entirely credible candidates.
The business case for Aeralis was pretty much zero, and that right from the start.

And Lilium was publicly attacked and called a scam while testing actual flying hardware...

Cheers
 
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Whats wrong with "an aircraft"? That is correct both grammatically and factually. An unmanned aircraft.
Is a scale model an aircraft? Then what about a model at scale 1, does that change how we call it?

Lilium prototypes were never real flyable airframe. They had been using trick and deception to make people believe a real aircraft was going through test flights.
And so did Stavatti, but with paper renders meant to pause as aircraft study. (something way less costly for the taxpayers).
 
The business case for Aeralis was pretty much zero, and that right from the start.
There's a valid business case for just assessing new technology concepts (ie the airframe modularity) and writing reports. The RAF didn't seem unhappy with the work Aeralis were doing for them.

And if the Qataris were backing them, then the money to expand all the way to flight trials potentially was there. There's a tendency to look at Aeralis solely in relation to the RAF and I don't think that quite reflects reality.
 

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Looks like the old concept before they changed it to make it work.

Maybe this was the model for the Qatar air show?
 

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