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It will be nice to see Chinese and Algerian ( of course Iranian) Su-35's with heavy very long-range hypersonic R-37ME (Product 620) ,especially in terms that this AAM proved itself very well.That will significantly enhanced combat potential of the Su-35's with its PESA N035E Irbis-E.


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Squirrel said:
It will be nice to see Chinese and Algerian ( of course Iranian) Su-35's with heavy very long-range hypersonic R-37ME (Product 620) ,especially in terms that this AAM proved itself very well.That will significantly enhanced combat potential of the Su-35's with its PESA N035E Irbis-E.


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Squirrel, do you have any info about Su-35M?
 
ComradeVortex said:
Isn't it supposed to be Su-35SM?
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Yes,Su-35SM. I've first heard for the Su-35SM in 2020. During that test launch of the R-37M , some Russian sources mentioned that two Su-35S were modernised to 'SM' level ( Bort number 51 and 52 red in fact ).

''Модернизированный истребитель Су-35СМ борт 52 на испытаниях в 929-м ГЛИЦ''

Also after the first Su-35S was shot down ( April 3rd 2022, in the vicinity of Izyum) ,some sources wrote that KnAAZ will modernize Su-35S to SM level but all we could see as something new are wingtip ELINT/ECM stations. I think that besides all of that, all new Su-35S are only Su-35S ,not SM as official VKS designation.
 
Squirrel said:
Yes,Su-35SM. I've first heard for the Su-35SM in 2020. During that test launch of the R-37M , some Russian sources mentioned that two Su-35S were modernised to 'SM' level ( Bort number 51 and 52 red in fact ).

''Модернизированный истребитель Су-35СМ борт 52 на испытаниях в 929-м ГЛИЦ''

Also after the first Su-35S was shot down ( April 3rd 2022, in the vicinity of Izyum) ,some sources wrote that KnAAZ will modernize Su-35S to SM level but all we could see as something new are wingtip ELINT/ECM stations. I think that besides all of that, all new Su-35S are only Su-35S ,not SM as official VKS designation.
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Thank you.
So there is no assumption of integration of modification N036 etc.?
 
Geo said:
Thank you.
So there is no assumption of integration of modification N036 etc.?
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You are welcome friend.
N036 Byelka ? No of course. Su-35S ( SM) has N035 Irbis,definitely.
 
Squirrel said:
And again that Bulgarian site .....

Citation :

''Egypt reveals why it canceled Russia’s Su-35 deal: outdated radar, weak electronic warfare, and inefficient engines exposed in tests, shaking the arms market.''

OMG ....

In the reality, Su-35S shot down enemy fighter with launch distance of 213km.
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Strange because even malaysia opted for Russian jammers over Israeli or other western types on their SU-30MKMs, despite malaysia having used Israeli and other western avionics in the past. Ukraine and even the west in general have praised Russian electronic warfare as world leading even some of the smaller cheaper tactical drones have caused a lot of problems according to Ukraine in terms of jamming capabilities while the SU-35 has some huge jamming pods that get plenty of power from the engines. Everything screams BS…

Moreover the issues reported about the engines being inadequate also don’t make sense, the 117S makes almost double the thrust compared to the M-88 and has similar efficiency. It’s like complaining a Ferrari has an inadequate engine and then going for a Honda. I never heard any complaints about Russian engines from foreign customers other than India and that was more then 10 years ago and those issues seemed to have also been caused by some Indian manufactured engines and early Russian manufactured engine and the problem was simple ball bearings and not enough lubricants or poor quality lubricants. Power was never an issue.

Remember, Egypt gets aid and some weapons from the US and the US threatened Egypt for purchasing Russian weapons just as they threatened India and Turkey and many other countries….you know, they are just preaching what they teach such as free trade and no country has a right to threaten or dictate anything to another country. If Egypt steps out of line they will be in the axis of evil and the US and Israeli will bring freedom and democracy by dropping JDAMs in downtown Cairo.
 
Squirrel said:
It will be nice to see Chinese and Algerian ( of course Iranian) Su-35's with heavy very long-range hypersonic R-37ME (Product 620) ,especially in terms that this AAM proved itself very well.That will significantly enhanced combat potential of the Su-35's with its PESA N035E Irbis-E.


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I find it doubtful that China will acquire a missile for an aircraft model that doesn't have much more service life ahead of it in PLAAF service. Especially as indigenous J-16s with indigenous PL-17s fill essentially the same role for them.

Now if Algeria procured R-37s, that's an interesting question. Because if they did, they severely outrange their Moroccan adversaries with that kind of hardware.
 
Squirrel said:
You are welcome friend.
N036 Byelka ? No of course. Su-35S ( SM) has N035 Irbis,definitely.
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Not integrating a modified version of the Su-57s N036 seems like a missed opportunity. Especially as it could justify further expansion and funding for the facilities necessary to produce the radar and it's components. Ramping up overall production. In general, I would have assumed that an SM version would see as much trickle-down tech from the Su-57 as possible with regards to sensors, avionics, ECM equipment and perhaps later on engines as well. Maybe in a hypothetical future Su-35SM2.
 
EmoBirb said:
Not integrating a modified version of the Su-57s N036 seems like a missed opportunity. Especially as it could justify further expansion and funding for the facilities necessary to produce the radar and it's components. Ramping up overall production. In general, I would have assumed that an SM version would see as much trickle-down tech from the Su-57 as possible with regards to sensors, avionics, ECM equipment and perhaps later on engines as well. Maybe in a hypothetical future Su-35SM2.
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Exactly. I would also expect the Su-35SM, if it is built, to have an AESA radar, new engines (izd. 177), and other improvements that are available.
 
Does N036 actually is improvement over N035, other than specific use cases as being part of ECM suite?
Because you have smaller aperture, smaller T/R count, less power (assuming you have 10W T/R modules), and it's fixed to boot.
 
Fighter_bomber talks of increased dogfights.
Probably over Sumy.
Can someone make it easier to understand?
Can't they just lob R-37M with BVR from Su-35s?
Are they close enough now to switch to R-77s?

Russians have tried using S-400 missiles (which according to Russian milbloggers were illuminated by 35s) and long range AA missiles and were playing it safe until now.
 

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ComradeVortex said:
Fighter_bomber talks of increased dogfights.
Probably over Sumy.
Can someone make it easier to understand?
Can't they just lob R-37M with BVR from Su-35s?
Are they close enough now to switch to R-77s?

Russians have tried using S-400 missiles (which according to Russian milbloggers were illuminated by 35s) and long range AA missiles and were playing it safe until now.
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My guess is that one or both aircraft were flying low level making it difficult for one or both aircraft to detect one another until both aircraft were within visual range or detected via passive means.
 
Galaxy said:
My guess is that one or both aircraft were flying low level making it difficult for one or both aircraft to detect one another until both aircraft were within visual range or detected via passive means.
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Fair enough, helicopters have been doing it since the start of the war and UAF does it too to shoot down drones.
 
EmoBirb said:
Not integrating a modified version of the Su-57s N036 seems like a missed opportunity. Especially as it could justify further expansion and funding for the facilities necessary to produce the radar and it's components. Ramping up overall production. In general, I would have assumed that an SM version would see as much trickle-down tech from the Su-57 as possible with regards to sensors, avionics, ECM equipment and perhaps later on engines as well. Maybe in a hypothetical future Su-35SM2.
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Must keep on mind that N036 Byelka is dual-band radar system with a total of eight antennas.Where are the places for the eight antennas on the Su-35S/SM?

Geo said:
Exactly. I would also expect the Su-35SM, if it is built, to have an AESA radar, new engines (izd. 177), and other improvements that are available.
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PESA N035 Irbis has total FoV of 240° (+/-120°). In comparison, all USAF/USN/USMC fighters with AESA have only 120° (+/-60°) of FoV. The Russian approach to radars with AESA is different from the Western one because it implies more radar antennas, in the case of the Su-57 even eight of them. This is impossible for the Su-35S/SM to be achieved. As mentioned before, engine Izd. 177S is developed only for the exported Su-30MKI ( MKA/MKM).
 
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Anduriel said:
Does N036 actually is improvement over N035, other than specific use cases as being part of ECM suite?
Because you have smaller aperture, smaller T/R count, less power (assuming you have 10W T/R modules), and it's fixed to boot.
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N036 Byelka as dual-band radar system has eight antennas, N035 Irbis only one. N036 has FoV with three centimetric X-band AESA 270°,N035 with its gimballed antenna has max FoV 240°. Besides three X-band AESA, N036 possess another one and four decimetric L-band AESA's.It is easy to understand what are technical and tactical advantages of the N036.
 
Squirrel said:
Must keep on mind that N036 Byelka is dual-band radar system with a total of eight antennas.Where are the places for the eight antennas on the Su-35S/SM?



PESA N035 Irbis has total FoV of 240° (+/-120°). In comparison, all USAF/USN/USMC fighters with AESA have only 120° (+/-60°) of FoV. The Russian approach to radars with AESA is different from the Western one because it implies more radar antennas, in the case of the Su-57 even eight of them. This is impossible for the Su-35S/SM to be achieved. As mentioned before, engine Izd. 177S is developed only for the exported Su-30MKI ( MKA/MKM).
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Ok, Squirrel, that all sounds logical.
And the N035 modification with AESA antenna?
And how are you sure that Izd. 177 is only intended for MKI/MKM upgrades? Has such information been published anywhere?
 
Geo said:
Ok, Squirrel, that all sounds logical.
And the N035 modification with AESA antenna?
And how are you sure that Izd. 177 is only intended for MKI/MKM upgrades? Has such information been published anywhere?
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About that '177S' ...

idrw.org

Russia’s Product 177S Engine: A Game-Changer for India’s Fighters, But Flight Awaits - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: AFI Russia’s aerospace industry has thrown a tantalizing offer India’s way: the Product 177S, an advanced engine poised to power both the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) Super-30 upgrade program and the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) MkII. Unveiled by Rostec’s United...
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N035 modification with AESA? Hm, maybe our 'stealthflanker' has more data ...

We must count on that every PESA/AESA has its own pros and cons of course.

AESA on the gimbal just like in the cases of CAPTOR-E and Raven ES-05 ?
 
Russian offer for IAF from AeroIndia 2025...

114 'Su-35M' for the MRFA program and Su-57E as locally produced .

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Russia Pushes Su-57E and Su-35M with Full ToT to India - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG In a strategic bid to deepen its defense partnership with India and address the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) critical squadron shortfall, Russia has offered a dual proposal involving the Sukhoi Su-57E fifth-generation stealth fighter and the Su-35M...
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''According to sources familiar with the negotiations, the proposal—put forward by Russian defense conglomerate Rostec and aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi—includes immediate delivery of Su-35M jets while India prepares to begin local production of the Su-57E.''

Can this come true?
 
ComradeVortex said:
Fighter_bomber talks of increased dogfights.
Probably over Sumy.
Can someone make it easier to understand?
Can't they just lob R-37M with BVR from Su-35s?
Are they close enough now to switch to R-77s?

Russians have tried using S-400 missiles (which according to Russian milbloggers were illuminated by 35s) and long range AA missiles and were playing it safe until now.
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Dogfights? Hm.....

One thing is certain.For almost three and a half years of Rus-Ukr war ,we could not see Su-35S 's pilots wearing HMS ( Ukrainian Sura-M or Russian T-04).

Video from month ago.

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Кадры работы сопровождающего экипажа на истребителе Су-35с в зоне СВО

07.06.2025 | Минобороны России опубликовало кадры работы экипажа ВКС России по сопровождению бомбардировщиков в зоне ответственности группировки войск «Юг». Экипаж
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Squirrel said:
Russian offer for IAF from AeroIndia 2025...

114 'Su-35M' for the MRFA program and Su-57E as locally produced .

idrw.org

Russia Pushes Su-57E and Su-35M with Full ToT to India - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG In a strategic bid to deepen its defense partnership with India and address the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) critical squadron shortfall, Russia has offered a dual proposal involving the Sukhoi Su-57E fifth-generation stealth fighter and the Su-35M...
idrw.org idrw.org

''According to sources familiar with the negotiations, the proposal—put forward by Russian defense conglomerate Rostec and aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi—includes immediate delivery of Su-35M jets while India prepares to begin local production of the Su-57E.''

Can this come true?
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Initially India dropped out of the program since they were not satisfied with the aircraft’s stealth, avionics (supposedly) technology transfer and localization in upgrading the aircraft. Since then Russia has been working the the SU-57M1 Megapolis program which is aimed at improving RCS with some design changes and refinement to the aircraft’s shaping, which evidently will have a wider and flatter fuselage and other refinements in build quality, the aircraft also is getting an upgraded cockpit and other avionics including new helmet systems and will be heavily improved with AI technology and better sensor fusion. Plus it now has the new izdeliye 30 engines which provides superior IR and RCS improvements plus better, efficiency, thrust, reliability, ect. Russia is also now giving India what it always wanted with the TOT and upgrade options.

A Rafale and other Indian aircraft getting shot down earlier this year is probably a big incentive for India to get something like and SU-57 especially if Pakistan receives Chinese stealth aircraft but either way China and India are enemies and China outclasses the IAF.
 
Galaxy said:
Plus it now has the new izdeliye 30 engines which provides superior IR and RCS improvements plus better, efficiency, thrust, reliability, ect. Russia is also now giving India what it always wanted with the TOT and upgrade options.
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Offering technology transfer and upgrade options to a country like India, which is infested with foreign intelligence and cozying up to the west in general would be quite honestly akin to utter stupidity and masochism on part of the Russians.

Especially as India has no alternatives and lots of pressure on them Russia could comfortably offer them a dumbed down export version of the Su-57 and it would still be the most attractive offer, as the F-35 will be forever out of their reach and AMCA is at the very least a decade away if one is optimistic, make it two decades to be realistic.

No need to gold-plate it whatsoever, they can take it or leave it. Countries like Algeria, the DPRK and a couple of the gulf states will be interested anyway, as usual. While SEA becomes an export battleground between the US and PRC where Russian options are politically falling out of favor as politician are looking to strengthen ties with either Beijing or Washington. Even a historical customer like Vietnam is becoming a bit iffy. While most of central and southern Africa is still an emerging market, with most countries having either little need for hyper advanced combat jets due to a lack of threats or are too cash strapped. While the two largest markets in LatAm, Argentina and Brazil, are beholden to Lockheed and Saab now.
 
Squirrel said:
N036 Byelka as dual-band radar system has eight antennas, N035 Irbis only one. N036 has FoV with three centimetric X-band AESA 270°,N035 with its gimballed antenna has max FoV 240°. Besides three X-band AESA, N036 possess another one and four decimetric L-band AESA's.It is easy to understand what are technical and tactical advantages of the N036.
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While it's true, OTOH you can have much more range at high off-boresight angles with N035, as your main dish moves. You can't have that with N036, as main array is fixed (and ESA have range drop with big angles) and side arrays are much more smaller than main one, thus have less range.
 
ComradeVortex said:
Fighter_bomber talks of increased dogfights.
Probably over Sumy.
Can someone make it easier to understand?
Can't they just lob R-37M with BVR from Su-35s?
Are they close enough now to switch to R-77s?

Russians have tried using S-400 missiles (which according to Russian milbloggers were illuminated by 35s) and long range AA missiles and were playing it safe until now.
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Expanding on this topic.

Ukrainian Aviation source:
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Galaxy said:
Initially India dropped out of the program since they were not satisfied with the aircraft’s stealth, avionics (supposedly) technology transfer and localization in upgrading the aircraft. Since then Russia has been working the the SU-57M1 Megapolis program which is aimed at improving RCS with some design changes and refinement to the aircraft’s shaping, which evidently will have a wider and flatter fuselage and other refinements in build quality, the aircraft also is getting an upgraded cockpit and other avionics including new helmet systems and will be heavily improved with AI technology and better sensor fusion. Plus it now has the new izdeliye 30 engines which provides superior IR and RCS improvements plus better, efficiency, thrust, reliability, ect. Russia is also now giving India what it always wanted with the TOT and upgrade options.

A Rafale and other Indian aircraft getting shot down earlier this year is probably a big incentive for India to get something like and SU-57 especially if Pakistan receives Chinese stealth aircraft but either way China and India are enemies and China outclasses the IAF.
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India dropped the FGFA program in fact ( not PAK-FA as someone thinks).Btw, the story is about the Su-35M not about Su-57.Maybe that Su-35M will have the same engine as modified Su-30MKI, Izd. 177S ?

"This year’s order volume is growing and will exceed last year’s high levels.” Badekha previously revealed in May that work was underway to expand production of the Su-35, with the decision to do so thought have been influenced both by the expectation of major new foreign orders, and by plans to expand the Russian fighter fleet with new procurements. The Algerian Air Force in early 2025 became the second foreign client for the Su-35, while the Iranian Air Force is expected to begin receiving the fighters before the end of the year. "

Anduriel said:
While it's true, OTOH you can have much more range at high off-boresight angles with N035, as your main dish moves. You can't have that with N036, as main array is fixed (and ESA have range drop with big angles) and side arrays are much more smaller than main one, thus have less range.
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If the main forward looking antenna/AESA of the N036 with 1526 TRM has max detection/tracking range of 400km ,then two SLAR/AESA N036B with 358 TRM each have 100km?


Su-35S armed with the R-37M .

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Video Details Preparation of SU-35 Fighter with Hypersonic Missiles​


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This kind/type of the heavy very long range hypersonic AAM is what IAF fighters like Su-30MKI ( Super-30) needs right now ( like Su-30SM2). With AAM's like R-77-1EL and the older R-27ER1 , they can ahieve max launch distances against incoming air targets in the range of only 100-150km, no more than that.
 
Galaxy said:
Initially India dropped out of the program since they were not satisfied with the aircraft’s stealth, avionics (supposedly) technology transfer and localization in upgrading the aircraft.
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(At least the Russian side of) The story I've heard is that India had ridiculous tech transfer ideas and requirements (effectively separate aircraft) for a minimal investment, because India assumed Russia can't finance full development by itself.

I'd guess flame out accident didn't help either - India desperately needed aircraft on time.

It got further soured up after the break, because supporters of french offer used the partitioning to badmouth the program. They still do; if anything, for self protection now.
 
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New Batch of Hellducks (Su-34).

This is the 5th batch of the year.
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Hm, I checked some data now. It was in fact 2nd batch this year ,not the 5th one. First delivery was during April and second one was from several days ago. Before that,there were two deliveries at the end of 2024 ( Nov/Dec). So four Su-34M were delivered so far in 2025 ?
 

How many bombs can Su 34 carry? A lot!​


Prototype T-10V-7 '47 white' with 35 bombs type OFAB-250-270 ( weight 266kg).Weight of each multiple bomb rack is 150kg.

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Why 35 when there was a place for one more bomb under multiple bomb racks? Was that a max limit ? There was a place for one more multiple bomb rack between engine nacelles.
 

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