Vought JTACMS/ATACMS (MGM-140)

SAM-SLAM summer series continues.

The strike was carried out using 5 ATACMS ballistic missiles.Losses:
• 2 S-300/400 air defense missile launchers were destroyed;
• 1 S-300/400 air defense missile launcher was damaged;
• Radar “96L6E” was destroyed;
• The control center of the S-300/400 air defense system was destroyed;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1793629402984488974

Interesting little bit of info. The radar was actually a 96L6-TsP, which some S-400s now use. It is associated with the new S-500 and has been upgraded from cheese board to cheese grater here.
https://interestingengineering.com/...s-500-defense-system-the-ultimate-f-35-killer
Alleged 3,500km detection range.
https://www.deagel.com/Armies/96L6/a003156
https://twitter.com/x/status/1793648233828450311
View: https://x.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1793648233828450311

https://twitter.com/x/status/1793891915727073694
View: https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1793891915727073694

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUl9iz_A_Sc

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https://www.twz.com/news-features/ukraine-can-now-use-u-s-supplied-weapons-to-strike-inside-russia
As Ukrainian's second-largest city has been pounded by Russian missile, glide bomb and artillery strikes, officials in Kyiv have begged the U.S. to allow the use of donated long-range weapons to strike back across the border, into Russia directly. Now that is going to happen.
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In a major policy shift, the Biden administration “recently” approved Ukraine’s use of U.S.-supplied weapons on Russian territory, but only near Kharkiv, two U.S. officials confirmed to The War Zone. Ukraine has long been barred by the U.S. from using weapons it has donated against targets in Russia proper.
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“The President recently directed his team to ensure that Ukraine is able to use U.S.-supplied weapons for counter-fire purposes in the Kharkiv region so Ukraine can hit back against Russian forces that are attacking them or preparing to attack them," a U.S. official told The War Zone. "Our policy with respect to prohibiting the use of [Army Tactical Missile System] ATACMS or long range strikes inside of Russia has not changed.”
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Germany follows suit:

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deut...waffen-a-b7b7cd9b-99eb-4de8-9927-086328919bdd
 
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MihoshiK said:
I forsee a large increase in smoking accidents.
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The question is how 'preparing an attack' will be interpreted. I think it's a given that ground based artillery, MLRS and tactical missile launchers plus supporting personnel, equipment, field depots and troop deployment areas will be covered by this, but is an Su-34 being loaded up with glide bombs at an airfield not also preparing an attack? That's the question. Certainly once they're in the air Ukraine will be able to hit them with SAMs before they launch now at least. But there's certainly a grey area around the 'preparing to attack' clause.
 
Forest Green said:
The question is how 'preparing an attack' will be interpreted. I think it's a given that ground based artillery, MLRS and tactical missile launchers plus supporting personnel, equipment, field depots and troop deployment areas will be covered by this, but is an Su-34 being loaded up with glide bombs at an airfield not also preparing an attack? That's the question. Certainly once they're in the air Ukraine will be able to hit them with SAMs before they launch now at least. But there's certainly a grey area around the 'preparing to attack' clause.
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I think that Ukraine is going to take the widest possible interpretation and smack anything that looks like it might be aimed at them. Which is basically everything the Russian military has. Because it is.
 
MihoshiK said:
I think that Ukraine is going to take the widest possible interpretation and smack anything that looks like it might be aimed at them. Which is basically everything the Russian military has. Because it is.
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Question is whether they're allowed to do that, but some cross-border capability is better than none though.
 
Josh_TN said:
Honestly doesn’t look that bad. There doesn’t seem to have been a secondary fire.
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They haven't shown the damage below decks and as for a secondary fire I'd only expect that to happen if the warhead had detonated inside one of the ferry's fuel-bunkers and/or if it was carrying ammunition.
 
NMaude said:
They haven't shown the damage below decks and as for a secondary fire I'd only expect that to happen if the warhead had detonated inside one of the ferry's fuel-bunkers and/or if it was carrying ammunition.
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There’s plenty of things on a ship that will burn outside of fuel and munitions. Those are just the hardest to come back from. It isn’t like this platform would have much of a crew or damage control, but also a ballistic missile does not deliver unused jet fuel to a target the way most any sea skimmer would.
 
While the damage appears to be superficial as I've said we haven't seen below decks footage and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the ship's hull has suffered serious structural damage rendering it unseaworthy.
 
NMaude said:
While the damage appears to be superficial as I've said we haven't seen below decks footage and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the ship's hull has suffered serious structural damage rendering it unseaworthy.
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Eh, it still floats. Could go either way.
 
Moscow Times has published this, although I'm not sure they have the correct end of the stick. I'm not sure the 'longer-ranged ATACMS' can be used based on other sources, although whether than means no 300km ATACMS or no 165km or 300km ATACMS I'm not sure. However, it would be difficult to resist targeting Iskander-Ms about to launch on Kyiv off their Eastern border.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024...ets-in-russia-with-us-weapons-what-now-a85289
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Image reportedly of the magazine detonation of the Karakurt-class corvette Tsiklon after being struck by a unitary warhead ATACMs.
 
Ronny said:
Wait, for real?. How do you got that number
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I haven't been keeping track but thinking about I think that Ukraine has eliminated at least half-a-dozen SA-21 batteries.
 
 
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PkvMiY9xwk

https://ria.ru/20240701/atacms-1956544091.htmlhttps://www.defensemirror.com/news/37168/Russian_Specialists_Study_ATACMS_Missile_Guidance_System
Russian experts are currently examining the guidance and flight correction systems of the US ATACMS operational-tactical missile, according to RIA Novosti, citing a weapons specialist.

The specialist noted that an ATACMS missile warhead, equipped with a guidance system and three laser ring gyroscopes, which help maintain its configured ballistic trajectory, has been acquired by the Russian military. Additionally, a GPS antenna is used for correction in the initial and final sections of the ballistic trajectory. “We have the capability to analyze the missile systems’ performance throughout the correction base stage as it follows a complex ballistic path,” the expert stated.
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Archibald said:
No idea if that could bring any improvement to Iskanders ? they seems to be deadly precise enough as they presently stand...
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It could bring better understanding of ATACMS autopilot logic, thus allowing for better prediction of ATACMS trajectory for missile defense.
 
The software and electronics are all designed with the idea that the remains will end up in enemy territory. And if Russia hadn’t already had this previously from the Iraq war (more than 450 were fired) I’d eat a hat.

This is simply posturing meant to reduce US support of giving munitions to Ukraine.
 
That and part of the accuracy of the ATCAMs, and GMLRS in general, guidence system is from the precision of the parts manufacturing. Those are very regular and reliable which gives the ATCAMS it accuracy.

To get the same accuracy and like for the ISKANDERS you will need to copy the parts down XXXXX Precision.

Plus you need to do that enmass as well.

Which is no easy feat as see by Russian own issues with ISKANDERS Accuracy.

Then you need to take into account the differences of the Aerodynamics and like of the two systems and compensate for the differences.

Even just putting the ATCAMS guidence into the ISKANDERS will not improve it that much if at all due to how different the missiles are.
 
 
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Missed this earlier.
TinWing said:
I can only supposed that dud rate of the current inventory has only gotten worse with age. Going forward, it would probably make more sense to dispose of those inventories, with gifting as the cheapest means. Old rubbish does not constitute a viable war reserve for American forces but it is fine for a proxy conflict. If CMs and anti-tank mines are vital, both should be areas of investment and future procurement. Personally I think a 2% dud rate is doable with modern electronics and backups. The cost would definitely worthwhile for runway denial or SEAD. Vietnam war style anti-personnel, not so much. After all, children don’t tend to play on military runways but they seem to be just about everywhere else. One legless kid is enough to turn global public opinion these days.
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And I'd expect many of the people the US would be fighting against to manufacture some legless kids to create an outcry.
 
Forest Green said:
It's like examing a calculator watch or a ZX Spectrum in 2024.
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Given that development for the MGM-140 began in 1980 I'd more like a first-generation IBM PC with an 80186 CPU and Windows 1.0 OS.

Firefinder said:
That and part of the accuracy of the ATCAMs, and GMLRS in general, guidence system is from the precision of the parts manufacturing. Those are very regular and reliable which gives the ATCAMS it accuracy.

Snip.
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Good points and the SS-26 Stone being a late Soviet-era design is of the same vintage as the MGM-140.
 
Defense Updates has put out a video about ATACMS attack damaging NIP-16 site in Crimea:


Ukraine struck the NIP-16 Deep Space Communications site in Yevpatoria, Crimea.As per reports, the strikes were carried out by U.S. made Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS)
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The Yevpatoria Center for Deep Space Communications supports both manned and unmanned space missions and has two sites both of which seem to have been hit.
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Satellite images indicate the presence of several scorch marks.Footage circulating on social media showed massive fires, following the strikes.
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In this video, Defense Updates analyzes what are the implications of Ukraine damaging the NIP-16 site in Crimea with ATACMS?
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#defenseupdates #atacms #ukrainerussiawar
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Chapters:
00:11 INTRODUCTION
01:38 NIP-16 DEEP SPACE COMMUNICATIONS
04:26 ATACMS
06:30 TARGETING RUSSIAN KEY ASSETS
07:37 ANALYSIS
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