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Hi all

Some additions to widely known file (http://www.designation-systems.net/non-us/soviet.html) with codenames of aircraft and missiles. The information is taken from FAS.org and Wiki (sorry  :) )

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AA-2DAdvanced Atollwithout changes
AA-2-2Advanced Atoll(possibly R-13M1?)
AA-X-13Arrowwithout changes
ABM-1AGalosh Mod.1without changes
ABM-1BGalosh Mod.2without changes
AS-X-22KryptonKh-31PM
   

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
AT-1Snapper3M6 (PUR-31)2K15/2K16 Shmel'
AT-4ASpigot-A9M1119K111 Fagot
AT-4BSpigot-B9M111-29K111 Fagot
AT-4CSpigot-C9M111M9K111M Faktoriya
AT-5ASpandrel-A9M1139K111-1 Konkurs
AT-5BSpandrel-B9M113M9K111-1 Konkurs
AT-6ASpiral9M1149K114 Shturm-S
AT-6BSpiral9M114M19K114 Shturm-S
AT-6CSpiral9M114M29K114 Shturm-S
AT-7Saxhorn9M115, 9M1169K115 Metis, 9K127 Metis-2

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AT-8Songster9M112, 9M1289K112 Cobra, 9K112 Agona
AT-9Spiarl-29M120 Ataka-V9K113 Shturm-V
AT-11Sniper9M1199K119 Reflex/9K120 Svir'
AT-11?Sniper-A9M119
AT-11?Sniper-B9M119M
AT-12Swinger9M120 9M117Vikhr, Ataka, Shturm 9K116-1 Sheksna
AT-13Saxhorn-29M1319K115-1 Metis-M
AT-14Spriggan9M1339K135 Kornet
AT-15Springer9M1239K123 Khrizantema
AT-16Scallion9M120M   9-A-4172Vikhr'-M

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SA-3CGoa?S-125M1A
(SA-5)GriffonLa-400 (5V11)S-50 Dal'
SA-10AGrumble Mod.05V55K (V-500K)/5V55KD/5V55S (V-500S)/5V55VMS-300P S-300PT Biryuza/S-300PT-1 Volkhov-M6/S-300PT-1A
SA-10BGrumble Mod.15V55R (V-500R)/5V55V (V-500V)S-300PS Angara
SA-10CGrumble Mod.25V55RD/5V55RUD/5V55U/5V55RMS-300PM/S-300PMU
SA-14Gremlin9M369K34 9K36 Strela-3
SA-15AGauntlet9M3309K330 Tor
SA-15BGauntlet9M3319K331 Tor-M1
SA-15CGauntlet9M3319K331 Tor-M1A
SA-15DGauntlet9M3319K332 Tor-M2

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SA-17Grizzly9M317 9M38M29K40 Buk-M2 (Ural)
SA-18AGrouse9M399K38 Igla/9K38D Igla-D
SA-18BGrouse9M39N9K38N Igla-N
SA-21AGrowler48N6 48N6-2/48N6DM (48N6E3)/40N6/9M96/9M96DS-400 Triumf
SA-21BGrowler?S-400M Samoderzhets
SA-22AGreyhound9M311M, 9M335 (57E6)96K6 Pantzyr', 96K6 Pantsyr'-S
SA-22BGreyhound57E6E96K6 Pantzyr'-S1
SA-X-23AGladiator9M82MS-300VM Antey-2500
SA-X-23BGiant9M82MS-300VM Antey-2500

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SA-N-3AGoblet4K-60 (V-611)4K60 M-11 Shtorm
SA-N-3BGoblet4K-65 (V-611M)4K65 M-11 Shtorm-N
SA-N-4CGecko9M33M3?
SA-N-4DGecko9M33M5?
SA-N-6Grumble3M-41 (5V55RM) 5V55R (3M81)without changes
SA-N-8Gremlin9M369K34 (9K36-1) Strela-3
SA-N-11Grison9M311K3K87 3M-87 Kortik (export -Kashtan)
SA-N-12Grizzly9M317 9M38M29K37 Smerch
SA-N-14Grouse9M399K38M Igla-M

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SS-1AScunnerR-1 (8K11 8A11)
SS-1BScud-AR-11 (8K14 8A61) & R-11M (8K11, 8K11M)
SS-1CScud-BR-17 (9K72 8K14, 8K14-1)9K72 Elbrus
SS-1DScud-CR-17M9K72M Elbrus-M
SS-1EScud-DR-17M, R-17V (9K73) R-17VTO (8K14-1F Aerofon)9K72-O
SS-2SiblingR-2 (8K38 8Zh38)
SS-3Shyster Mod.1R-5 (8K62 8A62)
SS-3Shyster Mod.2R-5M (8K51 (8A62M))
SS-5Skean Mod.1R-14 (8K65)
SS-5Skean Mod.2R-14U (8K65U)
SS-6Sapwood Mod.1R-7 (8K71)
SS-6Sapwood Mod.2R-7A (8K74)

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SS-7Saddler Mod.1R-16 (8K64)
SS-7Saddler Mod.2R-16U (8K64U) with 8F115 warhead
SS-7Saddler Mod.3R-16U (8K64U) with 8F116 warhead
(SS-10)-UR-200 (8K81)
SS-X-10ScragGR-1 (8K713)
SS-12Scaleboard9M71/9M729K71 Temp
SS-12AScaleboard Mod.1TR-1 (9M76/9M76B)9K76 Temp-S (OTR-22)
SS-12BScaleboard Mod.2TR-1M (9M76B1)9K76 Temp-S (OTR-22)
SS-13Savage Mod.1RT-2 (8K98)
SS-13Savage Mod.2RT-2P (8K98P)
SS-13Savage Mod.3RT-2M (8K98M), project only

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SS-16SinnerRT-21 (15Zh42)15P642 Temp-2S (RS-14)
SS-17Spanker Mod.2MR-UR-100U (15A15 15A16)
SS-18Satan Mod.1R-36M (15A14)
SS-18Satan Mod.2R-36M (15A18)
SS-18Satan Mod.3R-36M (15A18M)
SS-18Satan Mod.4R-36M UTTKh (15A18)
SS-18Satan Mod.5R-36M2Voevoda
SS-18Satan Mod.6R-36M2
SS-20Sabre Mod.115Zh45 (single RV)
SS-20Sabre Mod.2115Zh45 (3 MIRV)
SS-20Sabre Mod.3215Zh53

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SS-21AScarab9M79/9M79M9K79 Tochka
SS-21BScarab9M79M1 9M79-19K79-1 Tochka-U
SS-21CScarab?9K79M Tochka-M ?
SS-23ASpider9M7149K714 Oka (OTR-23)
SS-23BSpider9M714F9K714 Oka (OTR-23)
SS-23CSpider9M714K9K714 Oka (OTR-23)
SS-24ScalpelRT-23 (15Zh44)
SS-24Scalpel Mod.1RT-23 (15Zh52), RT-23UTTKh (15Zh61)
SS-24Scalpel Mod.2RT-23UTTKh RT-23U (15Zh60)
SS-24Scalpel Mod.3RT-23UTTKh RT-23U (15Zh61)15P961 Molodets

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DODNATOMissileMissile System  
SS-25Sickle-ART-2PM (15Zh58)RS-12M Topol'
SS-26Stone9M7209K720 Iskander
SS-26AStone9M7239K720 Iskander-M
SS-26BStone9M720E/9M723E9K720E Iskander-E
SS-27ASickle-BRT-2PM2 (15Zh58 15Zh65)15P065 (silo)
SS-27BSickle-CRT-2PM2 (15Zh58 15Zh65)15P165 (mobile)
SS-X-28 Mod.1Saber-B15Zh53 15Zh55RSD-10 Pioner-3
SS-X-28 Mod.2Saber-B15Zh57RSD-10 Pioner-3
SS-X-29RS-12PM-OS Universal
SS-29Stalin?RS-24 Yars

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DODNATOMissileMissile System 
SSC-1AShaddockP-6 (4K-88) 4K-95
SSC-1BSepalP-35B (4K-44B)Redut
SSC-2ASalishFKR-1Strela
SSC-2BSamletS-2 (4K-87)Sopka
SSC-3AStyxP-15M (4K-51)Rubezh
SSC-3BStyx
SSC-3CStyx
SSC-X-4SlingshotKS-122 (3M-10)S-10 Granat (3K-10)
(SSC-X-5)Scorpion3M-25N Meteorit-NGrom
SSC-6SennightKh-35 (3M-24) Uran3K-24 3K-60 Bal

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Stalin for YARS-24 is someone's fanboy BS
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stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SS-N-1ScrubberP-1 (KSSh)KSSh (4K32?)
SS-N-3AShaddock-AP-5 (4K-44), P-5D (4K-95)-
SS-N-3BSepalP-35 (4K-44)-
SS-N-3CShaddock-BP-6M (4K-48)-
SS-N-4SarkR-13 (4K-50) (3M50)D-2 (4K50)
SS-N-5SerbR-21 (4K-55)D-4 (4K55)
SS-N-6Serb Mod.1R-27 (4K-10)D-5 (4K10)
SS-N-6Serb Mod.2R-27U (4K-10U) (1 RV)D-5U (4K10U)
SS-N-6Serb Mod.3R-27U (4K-10U) (3 MIRV)D-5U (4K10U)
SS-N-7StarbrightP-70 (4K-66) 4M66Ametist

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DODNATOMissileMissile System
SS-N-8Sawfly Mod.1R-29 (4K-75)D-9 (4K75)
SS-N-8Sawfly Mod.2R-29D (4K-75D)D-9D (4K75D)
SS-N-9SirenP-120 (4K-85)Malakhit
SS-N-12SandboxP-500 (4K-80)Bazalt
SS-N-14Silex83R, 84R, 85R, 85RURPK-6 Vodopad, RPK-6 Vodopad, URPK-3/-4 Metel', URK-5 Rastrub-B
SS-N-15Starfish81R 90RURPK-2 Vyuga-553
SS-N-16AStallion86RRPK-7 Veter RPK-6, RPK-8
SS-N-16BStallion88RRPK-7 Veter RPK-6, RPK-8
SS-N-17SnipeR-31 (3M-17)D-11 (3K-17)
SS-N-18Stingrey Mod.1R-29R (3M-40)D-9R
SS-N-18Stingrey Mod.2R-29RL (3M-40L)D-9RL
SS-N-18Stingrey Mod.3R-29RK (3M-40K)D-9RK
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DODNATOMissileMissile System 
SS-N-19ShipwreckP-700 (3M-45)3K-45 Granit
SS-N-20Sturgeon Mod.1R-39 (3M-65)D-19 (3K-65)
SS-N-20Sturgeon Mod.2
SS-N-21SampsonRK-55 KS-122 (3M-10), 3M70S-10 (3K-10) Granat, P-1000 (3K70) Vulcan
SS-N-22SunburnP-270 (3M-80)3K-80 Moskit
SS-N-23Skiff Mod.1R-29RM (3M-37)D-9RM (3K-37) (4K75RM)
SS-N-23Skiff Mod.2R-29RMU (3M-37U)D-9RMU (3K-37U)  Sineva
SS-N-23Skiff Mod.3R-29RMU2 (3M-37U2)D-9RMU2 (3K-37U2)  Sineva-2

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DODNATOMissileMissile System 
SS-N-24ScorpionP-750 (3M-25)3K-25 Meteorit-M
SS-N-25SwitchbladeKh-35 (3M-24)3K-24 Uran
SS-N-26StrobileP-800 (3M-55)3K-55 Oniks
SS-N-27SizzlerP-900 (3M-54)P-10 (3K-54) Biryuza
SS-N-28R-39UT R-39M (3M-91)D-31 D-19UTTKh (3K-91) Bark Grom
SS-NX-303M-14S-14 (3K-14) Kalibr
SS-NX-32R-30 (3M-30)D-30 Bulava-30

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DODNATOMissileMissile System 
FROG-13R22K4 Filin
FROG-23R1 Sova2K1 Mars
FROG-33R8 3R92K6 Luna
FROG-43R9 Geophisical rocket2K6 Luna-1
FROG-53R102K6 Luna-2
FROG-6RV-65 3R112K6 Luna
FROG-7AR-65 (9M21)9K52 Luna-M
FROG-7BR-70 (9M21-1)9K52 Luna-M

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Stalin for YARS-24 is someone's fanboy BS

S-300PMU was also SA-10B, NOT SA-10C.  Wikipedia is one of the most horrible sources out there.

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DODSheldonMissileName
SL-1A8K71PSSputnik
SL-2A8A91Sputnik-2
SL-3A-18K72, 8A92Luna/Vostok, Vostok-2
SL-5A-1-m11A510Voskhod-2
SL-7B-163S1, 11K63Kosmos, Kosmos-2-1
SL-8C-165S3 & 11K65Kosmos Kosmos-3
SL-10A-m11A59Voskhod-2
SL-12D-1-e/-h8K82K (UR-500K)Proton-4 Proton-K/-D
SL-13D-18K82K (UR-500K)Proton-3 Proton-K
SL-14F-211K68Zenit Tsiklon-3
SL-15G-1-e11A51 11A52N-1
SL-16J-164S2, 11K64, 11K77Zenit, Zenit, Zenit-2

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DODNATOMissileMissile System 
CADS-N-1A-3K-87 Kortik/Kashtan
CADS-N-1B-3K-88 Kortik-M/Kashtan-M
CAA-1CThunderbolt?
CAT-1(Chinese version of AT-3A) HJ-73
CSA-4HQ-7 (FM-80)
CSA-5HQ-7 (FM-90)
CSA-7HQ-7A (FM-90)
CSS-5 Mod.3DF-21C
CSS-5 Mod.4DF-21D
CSS-6 Mod.1DF-15A
CSS-6 Mod.2DF-15B
CSS-X-11B-611

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DODNATOMissileMissile System 
CSSC-3ASeersucker
CSSC-3BSeersucker
CSSC-3CSeersuckerHY-2B
CSS-N-2SafflowerHY-2 (C-201) HY-1SY-1A
CSS-N-4 ?SardineC-801YJ-1 (YJ-8)
CSS-N-4 Mod.0JL-2
CSS-N-4 Mod.1JL-2 Jia
CSS-N-4 Mod.2JL-2 Yi

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NATOModel
Crusty (Crusty-A?)Tu-134
Crusty-BTu-134UBL
Fencer-DSu-24M, Su-24MK, Su-24M2
Flanker-B Mod.1Su-27SM
Flanker-B Mod.2Su-30KI, Su-30KN
Flanker-B+Shenyang J-11
Hind-E Mod.Mi-24VM Mi-24VP
Hip-H EW3Mi-8MTBP, Mi-17PP
Hip-H EW4Mi-8MTSh2
Hip-H EW5Mi-13 (Mi-8MTI), Mi-17PI
Hip-H EW6Mi-8MTSh3
Mainring(Chinese AWACS aircraft based on Il-76 airframe) KJ-2000
MaxdomeIl-80VKP Il-82

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Hi ALL !!!
 
The current version of the SL-list in Russian Wiki contains the following data
 
SL-18    Start-1
SL-19   Strela/Rokot
SL-21   Shtil'
SL-23    Zenit-3SLB
SL-24    Dnepr
SL-26    Soyuz-FG + Fregat
 
Because of that Wiki very unreliable source of the information, please confirm or deny this data
 
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This is from Soviet Military Power 1981, publication of DoD. What is mysterious codename "Fishbed M"?

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I'm no MiG 21 expert, but the scramble site (http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Mikoyan_Gurevich_MiG-21#MiG-21bis_.27Fishbed-M.27) tells us :

"MiG-21bis 'Fishbed-M' (Izdeliye 75, 75A & 75B) Improved version of Fishbed L introducing Tumansky R 25 turbojet engine of 73 5 kN

(16 535 Ib) afterburning thrust and further advanced avionics"
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It is not corect. MiG-21bis is "Fishbed L" (variant for PVO with Lazur M) or "Fishbed N" (varinat for VVS with Polyot-OI). "Fishbed M" isnt all-weather fighter (Soviet Military Power 1981)

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(Not related to above) In the years after the breakup of the Soviet Union, some reporting names were circulated for the latest aircraft prototypes as follows, but I can't determine for sure whether they are bogus or real:
  • FLATPACK (MiG-1.44 MFI)
  • FIRKIN (Su-47 Berkut)
  • MISER (MiG-AT)
  • MAXDOME (Il-80 VKP = Il-87)
  • MITTEN (Yak-130)
Also some Chinese types were apparently named as follows:
  • CHAN (Harbin Y-11)
  • FLOUNDER (Xi'an JH-7)
As I no longer trust Wikipedia, and find dubious many of the online resources, can someone refer to a RELIABLE source for these names (IF they are legit at all of course). What is the authoritative document that provides such official namings, anyway? Thanks a lot in advance for your answers!

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Thanks for that update. Need to be added is also:

  • MAINRING (KJ-2000 AEW/AWACS)

... and by the way I just read somewhere (see here: http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Lee%20Fuell_Testimony1.30.14.pdf9 about the new code-name for the Chengdu J-10 to be called FIREBIRD !??? Do You know more about that ?

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(Not related to above) In the years after the breakup of the Soviet Union, some reporting names were circulated for the latest aircraft prototypes as follows, but I can't determine for sure whether they are bogus or real:
  • FLATPACK (MiG-1.44 MFI)
  • FIRKIN (Su-47 Berkut)
  • MISER (MiG-AT)
  • MAXDOME (Il-80 VKP = Il-87)
  • MITTEN (Yak-130)
Also some Chinese types were apparently named as follows:
  • CHAN (Harbin Y-11)
  • FLOUNDER (Xi'an JH-7)
As I no longer trust Wikipedia, and find dubious many of the online resources, can someone refer to a RELIABLE source for these names (IF they are legit at all of course). What is the authoritative document that provides such official namings, anyway? Thanks a lot in advance for your answers!


There is no public published list. The codenames used to appear in public gradually report by report- but nowadays such reports are likely to use the real designations.

Nevertheless, all above are believed to be correct. Also:


FULLBACK (Su-34)
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Thanks for that update. Need to be added is also:

  • MAINRING (KJ-2000 AEW/AWACS)
... and by the way I just read somewhere (see here: http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Lee%20Fuell_Testimony1.30.14.pdf9 about the new code-name for the Chengdu J-10 to be called FIREBIRD !??? Do You know more about that ?

Deino


Given the rank of the person giving testimony, and context, it must be correct.


  • FIREBIRD (Chengdu J-10)
Also seen HAITUN for Harbin Z-9 which feels bogus.
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Thanks, Paul! (by the way, I'd left out FULLBACK because its validity didn't seem questionable to me, contrary to the others).

FIREBIRD is new to me. As for HAITUN (Z-9) and HAIOU (VT-UAV / BUAA), I have them as "Chinese names, perhaps reused by NATO".

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Thanks, Paul! (by the way, I'd left out FULLBACK because its validity didn't seem questionable to me, contrary to the others).

FIREBIRD is new to me. As for HAITUN (Z-9) and HAIOU (VT-UAV / BUAA), I have them as "Chinese names, perhaps reused by NATO".


I doubt it.


HAITUN is "Dolphin", the Chinese name of the Z-9, and is itself a translation of the French name of the original Eurocopter AS365, "Dauphin". It coincidentally fits the ASCC naming system inasmuch as it is two syllables (turboprop) and begins with H but I don't think it likely to be correct.

HAIOU - even more doubtful. Does it need a name in a Helicopter sequence? Its a (helicopter-type) UAV.
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FIREBIRD is pretty appropriate for J-10 actually, its a Russian mythological creature similar to the classical Phoenix.
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Thanks a lot ... So You think Firebird is the correct name !?

Deino
He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.
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For nothing now can ever come to any good.
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We believe it likely that a mix of PLAAF and PLANAF units, deployed along or near the coast, are tasked with operations in the ADIZ, and have fighter aircraft like FLANKER and FIREBIRD at requisite
steady-state levels of alert to support “emergency identification” missions.

Given the context (testimony from Technical Director for Force Modernization & Employment at the National Air & Space Intelligence Center) I am pretty convinced.
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Here is DoD codenames for Soviet UAV's:

DR-1  ?
DR-2  ?
DR-3  VR-3 Reys (Tu-143)
DR-X-4  Yak Pchela-1
DR-5  VR-2 Strizh (Tu-141)


Haiou isn't western codename

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Y-11 CHAN is confirmed by SOC. FC-1/JF-17 FISHPASTE appears to come from a joke post I made in 2004 on Key Forum.
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To reflect its MiG-21 heritage I recommend the following: "Fishpaste" or "Fishcake"
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New codename

SS-X-31 for RS-26 Rubez http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/index-714.html

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codenames for Warzsaw Pact aircrafts:

Maya Aero L-29 Delfin
Market Aero L-39 Albatros

exist some other ?

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Ha ha! I love that. Thanks Deino;D

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FIREBIRD is pretty appropriate for J-10 actually, its a Russian mythological creature similar to the classical Phoenix.

I've always understood that ASCC reporting names were not supposed to be laudatory. FIREBIRD seems pretty laudatory to me... :o

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I've always understood that ASCC reporting names were not supposed to be laudatory. FIREBIRD seems pretty laudatory to me... :o

Agreed! That's what made it dubious to me too. But Paul_MM seems to trust the source for it, and besides, one can assume that in our times of political correctness and obvious American focus on the potentially huge Chinese markets, there may be a desire not to pick names that are too derogatory so as to flatter the new prefered commercial partner...  ::)

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A report by a USAF official on the Chinese Airforce is as "official" as it gets. It might be a reference to the putative "Lavi" origins and rebirth with Russian engine....
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I've always understood that ASCC reporting names were not supposed to be laudatory. FIREBIRD seems pretty laudatory to me...                     
 

Maybe in the 40s, 50s and 60s they weren't (BULL, FAGOT, FISHBED, BACKFIRE, etc). But FLANKER, FULCRUM, BLACKJACK, etc are all pretty complimentary names. And in many cases proudly adopted as names by the operators.
 
The FIREBIRD as a Phoneix of the Lavi connection is pretty nice. I'm still hoping the T-50 will be named FLYHALF to heep the Su-27 Rugby positions series naming going (FLANKER, FULLBACK).
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Hey ... and we've missed „FINBACK“ für die J-/J-8II.
He was my North, my South, my East and West,
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In some books from Yefim Gordon is MiG-21UM like MONGOL C. Is it correct?

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(Not related to above) In the years after the breakup of the Soviet Union, some reporting names were circulated for the latest aircraft prototypes as follows, but I can't determine for sure whether they are bogus or real:
  • FLATPACK (MiG-1.44 MFI)
  • FIRKIN (Su-47 Berkut)
  • MISER (MiG-AT)
  • MAXDOME (Il-80 VKP = Il-87)
  • MITTEN (Yak-130)
Also some Chinese types were apparently named as follows:
  • CHAN (Harbin Y-11)
  • FLOUNDER (Xi'an JH-7)
As I no longer trust Wikipedia, and find dubious many of the online resources, can someone refer to a RELIABLE source for these names (IF they are legit at all of course). What is the authoritative document that provides such official namings, anyway? Thanks a lot in advance for your answers!

All of those are correct as far as I can remember.

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A report by a USAF official on the Chinese Airforce is as "official" as it gets. It might be a reference to the putative "Lavi" origins and rebirth with Russian engine....

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Agreed! That's what made it dubious to me too. But Paul_MM seems to trust the source for it, and besides, one can assume that in our times of political correctness and obvious American focus on the potentially huge Chinese markets, there may be a desire not to pick names that are too derogatory so as to flatter the new prefered commercial partner...  ::)

That's good enough for me... :D

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The FIREBIRD as a Phoneix of the Lavi connection is pretty nice. I'm still hoping the T-50 will be named FLYHALF to heep the Su-27 Rugby positions series naming going (FLANKER, FULLBACK).

I hadn't picked up on the rugby dimension to 'Flanker'. I'd always assumed it to be an allusion to the Soviets 'pulling a flanker' on the USA by using US data obtained by espionage in the Su-27's design... ::)

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from Soviet Air Power 1982. "Fishbed M" isn't all-wheather fighter. What is "Fishbed M"?
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http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0001188755.pdf ... DoD/ASCC designation had soviet guided bombs also. Any info abou it?

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from Soviet Air Power 1982. "Fishbed M" isn't all-wheather fighter. What is "Fishbed M"?


-M Not used in the ASCC system as too easily confused with "N" phonetically. Also -I not used due to visual confusion with -J.
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but DoD system used "M" ... "Ram M" for M-17 Mystic A

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Different. RAM was a sequential designation system used by DOD analysts for prototypes seen at Zhukovsky, no-one was expecting fighter pilots to be shouting "RAM-M on my six" over their radio.
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used NATO ASCC designators also for poland a czech variants of soviet planes, like Lim-6 or Il-14FG (An-14FG)?

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FIDDLER C is Tu-128UT (source Tu-128 Fiddler, Alan Dawes, Sergey Burdin, Nikolai Popov)

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used NATO ASCC designators also for poland a czech variants of soviet planes, like Lim-6 or Il-14FG (An-14FG)?

I think so. Especially as even for experienced western aircrews (and probably eastern, too !), it would
have been very difficult to tell a MiG-17 from a Lim-5 or 6. AFAIk, the reporting name for the Chinese
Shenyang J-5 is "Fresco", too, although there probably isn't a great danger anymore to mix it up with
a "real" MiG-17.
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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new codenames for chinese missiles:

CSA-9 = HQ-9

CSS-9 mod 1
CSS-9 mod-x-2
CSS-X-12
CSS-14 mod-x-1
CSS-14 mod-x-2
CSS-X-15
CSS-X-16

what is original designation for these missiles?

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Hi Nagumo!!!

It's my list with DOD (DIA) codes. With pleasure I wait for any corrections. Sorry, that types of rockets are written in Russian

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Mantis A = early designation for Yak-30
Mantis B = Yak-32

source: publicaciones.defensa.gob.es/docs/default-source/.../raa_260.pdf?sfvrsn...
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DR-2 = DBR-1 Jastreb-1 (Tu-123)
DR-3 = VR-3 Reys (Tu-143)
DR-X-4 = Pchela

(DR-1 must be La-17)

http://www.inlichtingendiensten.nl/militair/isam1983-08.pdf

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http://www.inlichtingendiensten.nl/militair/isam1983-04.pdf

„Foxbat-B mod = gewijzigde luchtinlaten, pods aan weerszijden luchtinlaten, di-electr. paneel op voorrand rechter kielvlak, gezien met MBRs“
„Foxbat-D mod = zelfe modificaties als –B mod, mogelijk MBRs“
„Fencer-C mod = zoals „C“ met gewijzigd antenne-bestand; gezien met MBRs in 7-pylon configurate“

Can anybody there Dutch? I can not translate it. What is "MBR"?

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http://www.inlichtingendiensten.nl/militair/isam1983-04.pdf

„Foxbat-B mod = gewijzigde luchtinlaten, pods aan weerszijden luchtinlaten, di-electr. paneel op voorrand rechter kielvlak, gezien met MBRs“
modified air intakes, pods on both sides of air intakes, di-electric panel on leading edge of right fin, seen with MBRs
„Foxbat-D mod = zelfde modificaties als –B mod, mogelijk MBRs“
same modifications as -B mod, possibly MBRs
„Fencer-C mod = zoals „C“ met gewijzigd antenne-bestand; gezien met MBRs in 7-pylon configuratie“
as „C“ with modified antenna-array; seen with MBRs in 7-pylon configuration

Can anybody there read Dutch? I can not translate it. What is "MBR"?
MBR could mean Multiple Bomb Rack; not something I would expect on a MiG-25.
<edit>Found several MiG-25 strike variants in the Putnam-MiG by Gunston & Gordon, so Multiple Bomb Rack seems to be OK.
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Foxbat B mod = MiG-25RBF and RBT
Foxbat D mod = MiG-25RBSh

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From 'The Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft - 1875-1995' by Bill Gunston, Osprey 1995: ASCC-names matched to MiG-25 subtypes.

Foxbat-A: MiG-25P
Foxbat-B: MiG-25RB, MiG-25RBT
Foxbat-C: MiG-25PU, MiG-25RU
Foxbat-D: MiG-25RBF, MiG-25RBK, MiG-25RBS, MiG-25RBSh
Foxbat-E: MiG-25PD, MiG-25PDS
Foxbat-F: MiG-25BM

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From "Military Power of the People's Republic of China 2009" (Annual Report to Congress)

YJ-82 = CH-SS-N-7

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hi

North Korean missiles

KN-01   Geum Seang-1 (P-15 copy)
KN-02   Toksa (9M79 copy)
KN-03   ?
KN-04   ?
KN-05   ?
KN-06   SAM (S-300 copy)
KN-07   Musudan (Hwasong-10) IRBM
KN-08   Rodong-C (Hwasong-13) IRBM
KN-09   ASM (Kh-35U copy)
KN-10   SAM
KN-11   Bukgeukseong-1 SLBM
KN-12   ?
KN-13   ?
KN-14   Hwasong-14 ICBM

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Who will help to identify the missiles in the first DOD system for the soviet missiles?
T-1   R-1 or R-5 ???
T-1A   R-12
T-2   ? (may be errorious identification)
T-3   R-7
T-3 Mk 1   ?
T-3 Mk 2   may be R-7PS "Sputnik" SLV
T-3A   ? ICBM
T-3A Mk 1   ? ICBM (may be R-7A)
T-3A Mk 2   ? ICBM (or may be "Vostok" SLV)
T-4   ? IRBM
T-4A   ? ICBM
T-5   Rheinbote copy
T-5A   ? IRBM
T-5B   --> FROG-1
T-5C   --> FROG-2
T-5D   --> FROG-3 ???
T-5E   --> FROG-4
T-6   ? SAM
T-6A   ? SAM
T-7   ? SAM
T-7A   R-11 (Scud-A)
T-8   --> SA-2

From Horace Jacobs and Eunice Engelke Whitney "Missile and Space Projects Guide", 1962
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I've got a few ... and a few possibilities:

T-1 = M-101; R-5M; 8A62/8K51; SS-3 'Shyster'

T-1A = R-12; 8K63; SS-4 'Sandal'

T-3 = M-104; R-7; 8K71/8K78; SS-6 'Sapwood'

The T-2 may be the R-2; 8Zh38; SS-2 'Sibling'. The T-4 has a very early 'M' designation (M102) -- perhaps the R-3 (and its winged form T-4 ILN)? The T-4A could be the 1949 Albring G-3 (or its EKR derivative).

I've seen 'Skud A' for the T-3A  but assume that to be a typo for T-7A: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/rockets_icbm.html

On the SAMs, KB-1's S-25 Berkut (SA-1 'Guild') series would be obvious candidates. The T-6 booster arrangement sounds rather like the 2K11 Krug  ???

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CADS-N-2   may bee 9M337/9M340 Sosna-RA missile (for the 3K-89 Palash ship-defense system)

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Who can tell about temporary (?) codes for ground equpment. For Example Towed Howitzer M1987 (= 2A65 Msta-B howitzer) or MRL M1964 (=BM-21 Grad). This NATO code or DOD (DIA) code?

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Codenames for soviet guided bombs (GB):

GB-1 - probably KAB-500L http://www.stichtingargus.nl/bvd/m/isam1983-08.pdf side 17

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Curl Nav Mod = An-26Sh
Crusty Nav Mod = Tu-134Sh
Cookpot Nav Mod = Tu-124Sh

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84T00171R000202340001-1.pdf

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Shortbread = SSM Cruise (may by Meteorit-N) https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP87T00076R000101860001-9.pdf page 350

I believe Meteorit was SS-N-24 Scorpion
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SS-NX-24 Scorpion si submarine-based variant and SSC-X-5 is land-based variant of Meteorit

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Chan A mod = Y-12 https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP87T00076R000101860001-9.pdf page 100, but it is probably only temporary designation

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is codename AS-22 for Kh-59MK2 and AS-23 for Kh-38M correct? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-59 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-38

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Fulcrum A variant 1 = MiG-29 with ventral fins
Fulcrum A variant 2 = MiG-29 without ventral fins
Fulcrum A variant 3 = MiG-29 with elongated rudder (and without ventral fins)

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoian-Gur%C3%A9vitx_MiG-29

Fulcrum A variant 4 = ??? https://www.flugzeugforum.de/threads/41917-Mig-29-einfuehrung/page2

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here is some non standard designations "l ad-ri54 796 electronic reconnaissance aircraft of the soviet union 1/1 ii" (www.dtic.mil)

Young Fox B = An-12R
Black Crow A = Il-20
Dust Fungus = Yen radar
Bee Deer = PRS-1 radar

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probably Black Crow A = Igla-1 reconnaissance station under fuselage

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J-20 is probably Firefang http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.cz/

I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case and this nickname was floated on forums for the J-XX prior to the J-20 being unveiled.

J-10 appears to be FIREBIRD. So there could be some connection there.
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Hello, is Kh-555 "AS-15C Kent C" or "AS-22"?

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North Korean new missiles:
KN-12 = 122-mm MLRS
KN-15 = Pukguksong-2 (MRBM)
KN-16 = 240-mm MLRS
KN-17 = Hwasong-12 (MRBM)
KN-18 = ? (MaRV SCUD variant)
KN-19 = Kumsong-3 (cruise missile)
KN-20 = Hwasong-14 (ICBM)
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Tag A mod = probably Beriev 14M1P
Ram G mod = Yak-38M
Ram K mod = Su-27 (Flanker B)

temporarily designations for UAVs - ADV (Aerodynamic test vehicle)
ADV-1 = Tu-143 Reys
ADV-2A = Tu-141 Strizh with clipped delta wings and two sets of foreplanes
ADV-2B = Tu-141 Strizh with clipped delta wings and single set of foreplanes
ADV-2C = Tu-141 Strizh with delta wings (not clipped) and single set of foreplanes
ADV-3 = early des. for ADV-2C
ADV-4 = Jak iz.60 Pchela

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CAA-1C = probably PL-5
AS-12A mod.1 = Kh-25MP
AS-12B = Kh-25ML
AS-12C = Kh-25MR

https://www.jmu.edu/cisr/_pages/research/iraq-oig/07-guided-missile.pdf

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AA-1A = RS-1U
AA-1B = RS-2U
AA-1C = RS-2U without nose fuse
AA-1D = ? (probably R-55)

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78B04560A007400010043-7.pdf page 68

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AS-4A = Kh-22/-22M/-22N (active radar homing variants)
AS-4B = Kh-22P/MP/NP (passive radar homing variants)
AS-4C = Kh-22PSI/MA/NA (inertial homing variants)

AS-5A = KSR-2 (active radar homing variants)
AS-5B = KSR-11 (passive radar homing variants)

AS-6A = KSR-5/-5N/-5B/-5M (active radar homing variants)
AS-6B = KSR-5P (passive radar homing variants)

http://www.stichtingargus.nl/bvd/m/pir1983-01.pdf

AS-7A = Kh-66
AS-7B = Kh-23

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/1984-10-25.pdf

AS-11A mod.1 = Kh-58
AS-11B mod.2 = ?

http://www.ist.ucf.edu/pdfs/Enum2003-for-IEEE-std-1278-1.pdf

AS-17A = Kh-31P
AS-17B = Kh-31A

The Military Balance Volume 117, 2017 - Issue 1

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Fearless = unknown fighter with variable geometry wing (?)

https://dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/4771568.pdf page 29

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Hello, here si my list od reporting names for avionics http://ruslet.webnode.cz/prilohy/zapadni-kody/avionika/

what is Mushroom 1 and 2 a and Toad Stool 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5?

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Fearless = unknown fighter with variable geometry wing (?)

https://dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/4771568.pdf page 29

Never existed. Was a hypothetical design postulated by the US.
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unconfirmed reporting name for Su-57 (T-50) is Firedrake https://radmrockstone.deviantart.com/art/SUKHOI-Su-57-Firedrake-700277004

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I'm not sure I'd consider Deviantart an authoritative source.

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That's dafter than Fishbed.

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Firedrake beats out Fishbed in being a real word - another term for a dragon, so actually a pretty good name for a fighter. But I still think it's overwhelming lying likely to be a Deviantart artist picking a name he thinks is cool.

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Fishbed is a real word. "A sedimentary stratum rich in fossil remains of fish" is what Merriam-Webster makes of it, I've seen it pop up in paleobiology.

What bothers me more: what is the use of these reporting names now that we have the makers'/users' designations?

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Not a follower of Hushkit then?

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28788.0

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<adds Hushkit to favourites>

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To clarify...
« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 04:59:17 am by CJGibson »

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here is some non-standard temporarily designations

Classic comsat mod = Il-62M Salon TM-3SUR
Coot ACP mod = Il-22 (Coot B)
Coot relay mod = Il-20RT
Crusty VIP mod = Tu-134AK
Crusty comsat mod = Tu-134AK with Karpaty-ST

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79T01184A000200280001-8.pdf

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https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78-02646R000600110001-9.pdf
page 21

SS-CD-1. May be initial designation for SSC-2a missile?

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KN-SS-N-2 Stormpetrel = Kumsong-3 (Military Balance 2018)
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Hi All

SSC-3 missile have temporary designation BALAKLAVA-01
Mayby you know the short designations for BALAKLAVA


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'tentative' not definitive

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What.the.heck.does. frazor.mean ? sounds pretty bad.
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A Scotsman from the town of Zor.

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A Scotsman from the town of Zor.

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Or (courtesy of the Urban Dictionary)

Frazer- a cool guy who gets along with everyone but if you do wrong to him or anyone of his friends all hell is unleashed the kind of guy who will make your life hell.
a sweet-talker as such he knows what to say and exactly when to say it he likes to keep everyone happy but be honest. maybe not completely honest but honest as he can be. the guy who makes everybody laugh but not intentionally. he likes pretty smiles
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Nagumo,

Thank you very much for that www page with all the lists in one place.


Regards,
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I have seen GOBLIN associated with the Pantsyr before, as well as GREYHOUND. The G-series designator (GOBLIN, GOA, GUIDELINE, etc.) actually denotes the missile, not the system as a whole. New or different missile = new G-series designator, but same SA-series designator.