WW1 period (~1900-1920s) experimental and small-known artillery (field, siege, AA)

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Germany:
- 3,7cm TAK gun:
- 28cm Krupp haubitze L/14 i.R., 1912-1913
- 28cm Erhardt haubitze L/12, 1912-1913
- 9cm Rheinmetall kanonenhaubitze L/31, 1917-1918:
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Explosives 1,095 kg, range - HE 9900 m, 8700 m shrapnel and 11200 m chemical
- 8,8cm Krupp Z.A. field gun, 1917-1918:
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- 7,7cm infanteriegeschutz 18 ("father" of LeIG 18)
- 10,5cm L/45 Flak project for navy
- Also, 1918 recoiless anti-tank gun - no data
- Krupp 30,5cm morser

Austria-Hungary
50cm mortar ("Storek"?) prototype
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- 83,5 mm field gun, 10 kg projectile, 12 km range


Italia
Small-known 400 mm mortar:
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270 kg bomb, 105 kg explosives, 6 rounds per hour, 4 km range, weight 11,6 ton

Russia
Infantry artillery:
- Universal cannon-mortar, 1915 project
- 45 mm infantry guns
Light and heavy field artillery:
- Modernization of many guns, new carriage for 3-inch M1902 gun with tears and suspension (mount speed no less 45 kmph), L40 or L45 barrel, new long-range projectiles, upgrade elevation and traverse, new carriage for 6-inch M1910 cannon
- New light 3-inch gun with L50 barrel, increased propellant charge, new long-range projectiles, 15 km range
- 92-95 mm field gun - 1916-1917 project
Siege artillery:
- 8" L/13 M1913 howitzer:
In addition to the Putilov plant, which was supposed to fulfill an order for 32 howitzers, they were to be produced at the Perm and Obukhov artillery plants.
- 8" M1913 light cannon (more powerful than 8" howitzer) - no data
- 9" Schneider howitzer for Russian army:
- 11" L/24 gun - "father" of 12" L/20 M1915 howitzer
- 9" long-range gun on base of 12" M1915 howitzer - production was ordered by the Obukhov plant.
- 9.2" 450-pood (7371 kg barrel) gun on 11" 400-pood howitzer base, 163.8 kg projectile, 17 km range
- 11" 400-pood (6552 kg barrel) howitzer - experimental, ~1912, 8 km range
- 12" L/20 M1915 howitzer (despite the fact that they were issued 44 pieces during the First World War and despite the fact that in the USSR they were the main siege weapons, for some reason they are rather little known)
The Obukhov plant produced 33 pieces in 1916 and was supposed to produce 36 more in 1917, after installing new equipment, it was required to produce another 300 pieces within about a year, in addition, the production of these howitzers was to begin in Tsaritsyn at a new artillery factory.
- 14" howitzer - project, ~1912-1913
- 16" L/13 howitzer - 1913-1917, four howitzers not ended in 1917 on Obukhov plant and utilized in 1920s, three types of projectiles - steel, iron and light steel, 696.2, 696.2 and 532.4 kg weight, 145.5, 45 and 100.3 kg explosives, muzzle velocity of 696.2-kg shells 381 mps, 10.7-13.3 km range. The Obukhov plant was supposed to be able to manufacture two such howitzers per month, in addition, these howitzers were supposed to be produced by the artillery plant in Tsaritsyn.
- 16" L/20 howitzer - 1913-1917, one howitzer was built in France by Schneider, 870.2 kg projectile, 110.6 kg propellant, 500 mps, range 16 km, but, in tests used other projectile with 20 km range, barrel weight 29.5 ton, 2 inch shield.
Anti-aircraft artillery
There was a proposal to create 4.2-inch anti-aircraft guns for the army based on the 4.2-inch M1910 gun. For the navy, a 4-inch gun L / 36.5 was developed. In 1914, the Putilov Plant developed a project for an anti-aircraft installation for a 6-inch naval gun. The Obukhov plant was supposed to produce 37-mm and 40-mm "Pom-Pom", also, a project was developed for a 1-inch automatic gun based on the Maxim gun.
- 1" AA Maxim gun
- 2.5" AA gun, 1916:
- 4" L/36.5 naval AA gun project, 1917
- 6" AA gun mount, 1914 Putilov plant project
Other projects:
- Experimental 90 mm mortar with special chamber to increase the efficiency of the combustion of gunpowder, based on GR mortar, 1916
- Railgun project, 300 mm, 15 m barrel, 10 000 hp engine, 1 round per 17 minutes, 1000 kg projectile, 3000 mps, 1915, The Obukhov plant refused to manufacture the gun, as it was loaded with other orders.
Some pre-WW1 projects and experimental guns:
- 4.2 inch light howitzers,blighter than 4.8 inch
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- Obukhov plant 4.8 inch howitzer, 1905
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- Putilov plant 4.8 inch howitzer, ~1905
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M1904 artillery triplex
To replace the old siege guns - 4.2-inch, 6-inch and 8-inch short, 4.8-inch and 6-inch guns and an 8-inch howitzer were developed, the barrel weight was 200 pood (3276 kg), from production of the 4.8-inch 200-pood gun and 8-inch howitzer was abandoned, only the 6-inch M1904 gun was made.

France
- Filloux 17 mm anti-tank gun, 1918:
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- Delaunay-Beleville 20 mm automatic gun:
- 1917 experimental "turbo-cannon", due to the gradual flow of powder gases into the barrel through the jet nozzle, the pressure in the barrel almost does not increase, in theory this would make the gun barrel lighter, and the projectile could be less durable and contain more explosives
- 1916 railgun project, based on pre-war experiments

Britain
- 4 inch Maxim AA gun project, ~1917-1918
- 6 inch AA gun project, ~1917-1918

Does anyone have any information on developments in France and Britain during World War I that would have led to the 85mm Schneider gun and the 25-pounder gun? Or, these developments began after the war?
Also, I heard that during the Russo-Japanese War, the Russians developed several projects of mortars, of which the mortar based on the barrel of the 47 mm Hotchkiss gun is the most famous.
By 1914, as far as I know, only Germany had light trench artillery, in other countries there was nothing like the German 170-mm mortars, is anything known about the developments in this area in other countries? Russian historian Alexander Shirokorad mentions the development in Russia of several types of light mortars ranging in caliber from 3.4 to 6 inches.
It is very difficult to find information about Goddard, Ryabushinsky recoiless guns and about German anti-tank recoilless guns / grenade launchers.
 
Germany:
- 3,7cm TAK gun:
- 28cm Krupp haubitze L/14 i.R., 1912-1913
- 28cm Erhardt haubitze L/12, 1912-1913
- 9cm Rheinmetall kanonenhaubitze L/31, 1917-1918:
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Explosives 1,095 kg, range - HE 9900 m, 8700 m shrapnel and 11200 m chemical
- 8,8cm Krupp Z.A. field gun, 1917-1918:
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- 7,7cm infanteriegeschutz 18 ("father" of LeIG 18)
- 10,5cm L/45 Flak project for navy
- Also, 1918 recoiless anti-tank gun - no data
- Krupp 30,5cm morser

Austria-Hungary
50cm mortar ("Storek"?) prototype
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- 83,5 mm field gun, 10 kg projectile, 12 km range


Italia
Small-known 400 mm mortar:
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270 kg bomb, 105 kg explosives, 6 rounds per hour, 4 km range, weight 11,6 ton

Russia
Infantry artillery:
- Universal cannon-mortar, 1915 project
- 45 mm infantry guns
Light and heavy field artillery:
- Modernization of many guns, new carriage for 3-inch M1902 gun with tears and suspension (mount speed no less 45 kmph), L40 or L45 barrel, new long-range projectiles, upgrade elevation and traverse, new carriage for 6-inch M1910 cannon
- New light 3-inch gun with L50 barrel, increased propellant charge, new long-range projectiles, 15 km range
- 92-95 mm field gun - 1916-1917 project
Siege artillery:
- 8" L/13 M1913 howitzer:
In addition to the Putilov plant, which was supposed to fulfill an order for 32 howitzers, they were to be produced at the Perm and Obukhov artillery plants.
- 8" M1913 light cannon (more powerful than 8" howitzer) - no data
- 9" Schneider howitzer for Russian army:
- 11" L/24 gun - "father" of 12" L/20 M1915 howitzer
- 9" long-range gun on base of 12" M1915 howitzer - production was ordered by the Obukhov plant.
- 9.2" 450-pood (7371 kg barrel) gun on 11" 400-pood howitzer base, 163.8 kg projectile, 17 km range
- 11" 400-pood (6552 kg barrel) howitzer - experimental, ~1912, 8 km range
- 12" L/20 M1915 howitzer (despite the fact that they were issued 44 pieces during the First World War and despite the fact that in the USSR they were the main siege weapons, for some reason they are rather little known)
The Obukhov plant produced 33 pieces in 1916 and was supposed to produce 36 more in 1917, after installing new equipment, it was required to produce another 300 pieces within about a year, in addition, the production of these howitzers was to begin in Tsaritsyn at a new artillery factory.
- 14" howitzer - project, ~1912-1913
- 16" L/13 howitzer - 1913-1917, four howitzers not ended in 1917 on Obukhov plant and utilized in 1920s, three types of projectiles - steel, iron and light steel, 696.2, 696.2 and 532.4 kg weight, 145.5, 45 and 100.3 kg explosives, muzzle velocity of 696.2-kg shells 381 mps, 10.7-13.3 km range. The Obukhov plant was supposed to be able to manufacture two such howitzers per month, in addition, these howitzers were supposed to be produced by the artillery plant in Tsaritsyn.
- 16" L/20 howitzer - 1913-1917, one howitzer was built in France by Schneider, 870.2 kg projectile, 110.6 kg propellant, 500 mps, range 16 km, but, in tests used other projectile with 20 km range, barrel weight 29.5 ton, 2 inch shield.
Anti-aircraft artillery
There was a proposal to create 4.2-inch anti-aircraft guns for the army based on the 4.2-inch M1910 gun. For the navy, a 4-inch gun L / 36.5 was developed. In 1914, the Putilov Plant developed a project for an anti-aircraft installation for a 6-inch naval gun. The Obukhov plant was supposed to produce 37-mm and 40-mm "Pom-Pom", also, a project was developed for a 1-inch automatic gun based on the Maxim gun.
- 1" AA Maxim gun
- 2.5" AA gun, 1916:
- 4" L/36.5 naval AA gun project, 1917
- 6" AA gun mount, 1914 Putilov plant project
Other projects:
- Experimental 90 mm mortar with special chamber to increase the efficiency of the combustion of gunpowder, based on GR mortar, 1916
- Railgun project, 300 mm, 15 m barrel, 10 000 hp engine, 1 round per 17 minutes, 1000 kg projectile, 3000 mps, 1915, The Obukhov plant refused to manufacture the gun, as it was loaded with other orders.
Some pre-WW1 projects and experimental guns:
- 4.2 inch light howitzers,blighter than 4.8 inch
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- Obukhov plant 4.8 inch howitzer, 1905
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- Putilov plant 4.8 inch howitzer, ~1905
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M1904 artillery triplex
To replace the old siege guns - 4.2-inch, 6-inch and 8-inch short, 4.8-inch and 6-inch guns and an 8-inch howitzer were developed, the barrel weight was 200 pood (3276 kg), from production of the 4.8-inch 200-pood gun and 8-inch howitzer was abandoned, only the 6-inch M1904 gun was made.

France
- Filloux 17 mm anti-tank gun, 1918:
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- Delaunay-Beleville 20 mm automatic gun:
- 1917 experimental "turbo-cannon", due to the gradual flow of powder gases into the barrel through the jet nozzle, the pressure in the barrel almost does not increase, in theory this would make the gun barrel lighter, and the projectile could be less durable and contain more explosives
- 1916 railgun project, based on pre-war experiments

Britain
- 4 inch Maxim AA gun project, ~1917-1918
- 6 inch AA gun project, ~1917-1918

Does anyone have any information on developments in France and Britain during World War I that would have led to the 85mm Schneider gun and the 25-pounder gun? Or, these developments began after the war?
Also, I heard that during the Russo-Japanese War, the Russians developed several projects of mortars, of which the mortar based on the barrel of the 47 mm Hotchkiss gun is the most famous.
By 1914, as far as I know, only Germany had light trench artillery, in other countries there was nothing like the German 170-mm mortars, is anything known about the developments in this area in other countries? Russian historian Alexander Shirokorad mentions the development in Russia of several types of light mortars ranging in caliber from 3.4 to 6 inches.
It is very difficult to find information about Goddard, Ryabushinsky recoiless guns and about German anti-tank recoilless guns / grenade launchers.
I have a thread on ww1 anti-tank guns
 
It should also be noted that during this war of trenches and artillery, there was the emergence of pneumatic mortars, the Aasen from 1915, Boileau-Debladis and Hachette were already in service on the front at the beginning of 1916.
 

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As WWI approached its end, the French Army felt that it needed more artillery mobility. Towed guns were insufficiently able to travel across the heavily cratered, often wet battlefields to follow advancing troops, leaving those troops unsupported for a period of time until corduroy roads or other solutions could be put in place to allow the guns to move up.

These designs were all prototyped and tested in the early 1920s. In the end, none were adopted, as war expenditures were cut back and the general staff moved on to other ideas.
 

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The Renault-built "FT" tank, used in WWI and subsequently, is well known in its MG- and 37mm-cannon-armed versions.

Much less commonly known is that post-WWI, a version of the FT was developed with a short 75mm gun mounted in a fixed armor-casement rather than a turret. A small number were built, but all were scrapped before WWII. Many of the guns were re-purposed for French fortifications, including some Maginot Line installations.

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a version of the FT was developed with a short 75mm gun mounted in a fixed armor-casement rather than a turret.
Here is a photo of this casemate version.
Note that the driver is seated at the very top, and that 2 men are supposed to operate the 75mm cannon in the prow. This proto was not adopted:
 

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I think the version shown above was an alternate design...as noted, not adopted...to the one shown in the last photo of the second post above, which was the adopted version.
 
I think the version shown above was an alternate design...as noted, not adopted...to the one shown in the last photo of the second post above, which was the adopted version.
Indeed. The casemate in hull version was a prototype, found unsatisfactory and not adopted.
The version with the canon de 75 mm Blockhaus Schneider in a fixed "turret" was adopted instead, as FT-75 BS.
 
- 1916 railgun project, based on pre-war experiments
what

Here's the c&p from wiki

The concept of the railgun was first introduced by French inventor André Louis Octave Fauchon-Villeplée, who created a small working model in 1917 with the help of the Société anonyme des accumulateurs Tudor (now Tudor Batteries).[11][12] During World War I, the French Director of Inventions at the Ministry of Armaments, Jules-Louis Brenton, commissioned Fauchon-Villeplee to develop a 30-mm to 50-mm electric cannon on July 25, 1918, after delegates from the Commission des Inventions witnessed test trials of the working model in 1917. However, the project was abandoned once World War I ended later that year on November 11, 1918.[12] Fauchon-Villeplee filed for a US patent on 1 April 1919, which was issued in July 1922 as patent no. 1,421,435 "Electric Apparatus for Propelling Projectiles".[13] In his device, two parallel busbars are connected by the wings of a projectile, and the whole apparatus surrounded by a magnetic field. By passing current through busbars and projectile, a force is induced which propels the projectile along the bus-bars and into flight.[14]

In 1923, Russian scientist A. L. Korol’kov detailed his criticisms of Fauchon-Villeplee's design, arguing against some of the claims that Fauchon-Villeplee made about the advantages of his invention. Korol’kov eventually concluded that while the construction of a long-range electric gun was within the realm of possibility, the practical application of Fauchon-Villeplee's railgun was hindered by its enormous electric energy consumption and its need for a special electric generator of considerable capacity to power it.

Imagine a railgun round hitting a bird lmao
 
I don't have time to look through the digital archives of the museum it's in for at least a week, but it seems like a fascinating weapon. I would like to know the history of the possession of the individual gun, not least because it seems to be the sole survivor.
 
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Schneider experimental 4.2 inch heavy field gun, L50, 18.43 kg projectile (45 Russian pounds or 40.625 British pounds), 823 mps (2700 fps), range ~15 km, weight 4290 kg.
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Also, builted a 120 mm (4.7 inch) gun.
 
Schneider experimental 4.2 inch heavy field gun, L50, 18.43 kg projectile (45 Russian pounds or 40.625 British pounds), 823 mps (2700 fps), range ~15 km, weight 4290 kg.
FWIW, I believe this is the Schneider "Canon de 106mm7 très long", aka "Canon de 42 lignes à Grande Puissance Schneider (GPS)".
One single proto was made for Russia but rejected, then commandeered in 1914 and used at Verdun 1916-1917.
 
Is that breech loaded?
I wouldn't think so. The other Minenwerfer models were all muzzleloaders, it looks to me like that shell is attached to some kind of loading gantry. Digging around a bit I found a monstrous 500-page dissertation on the entire history and development of the Minenwerfer family by someone named Tillman Riebert at the University of Hamburg, but of course the damn thing's in German. Page 275 is where you want to go for the superheavy 38cm (or possibly 40cm) model.
 
Storek company also made a 6 cm overcaliber mortar. According to VHU Praha (Historic Millitary Institute Prague) it had a weigh of 17 kg (it is not mentioned if this is emty or loaded weight) and fired a projectile of unknown weight up to a distance of 350 m. All photos of Storek 6 cm mortar are from the VHU site.

A similiar design was made by the Czech company Kolben (now ČKD). Only info I found on it was on the valka.cz forum and landships site. It had a calibre of 7.5 cm, it fired a 23.5 kg (6 kg according to landships) projectile at a distance between 90 and 860 m. It weighted 128 kg. All photos of the Kolben mortar are from the valka.cz forum an were taken by authors of the posts.
 

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what

Here's the c&p from wiki

The concept of the railgun was first introduced by French inventor André Louis Octave Fauchon-Villeplée, who created a small working model in 1917 with the help of the Société anonyme des accumulateurs Tudor (now Tudor Batteries).[11][12] During World War I, the French Director of Inventions at the Ministry of Armaments, Jules-Louis Brenton, commissioned Fauchon-Villeplee to develop a 30-mm to 50-mm electric cannon on July 25, 1918, after delegates from the Commission des Inventions witnessed test trials of the working model in 1917. However, the project was abandoned once World War I ended later that year on November 11, 1918.[12] Fauchon-Villeplee filed for a US patent on 1 April 1919, which was issued in July 1922 as patent no. 1,421,435 "Electric Apparatus for Propelling Projectiles".[13] In his device, two parallel busbars are connected by the wings of a projectile, and the whole apparatus surrounded by a magnetic field. By passing current through busbars and projectile, a force is induced which propels the projectile along the bus-bars and into flight.[14]

In 1923, Russian scientist A. L. Korol’kov detailed his criticisms of Fauchon-Villeplee's design, arguing against some of the claims that Fauchon-Villeplee made about the advantages of his invention. Korol’kov eventually concluded that while the construction of a long-range electric gun was within the realm of possibility, the practical application of Fauchon-Villeplee's railgun was hindered by its enormous electric energy consumption and its need for a special electric generator of considerable capacity to power it.

Imagine a railgun round hitting a bird lmao

https://www.aldebaran.cz/bulletin/2008_10/US1370200.pdf
 

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...well I'll be damned, when he said "railgun" I assumed it was a typo for "railway gun". That's atompunk as hell.

Storek company also made a 6 cm overcaliber mortar. According to VHU Praha (Historic Millitary Institute Prague) it had a weigh of 17 kg (it is not mentioned if this is emty or loaded weight) and fired a projectile of unknown weight up to a distance of 350 m. All photos of Storek 6 cm mortar are from the VHU site.

A similiar design was made by the Czech company Kolben (now ČKD). Only info I found on it was on the valka.cz forum and landships site. It had a calibre of 7.5 cm, it fired a 23.5 kg (6 kg according to landships) projectile at a distance between 90 and 860 m. It weighted 128 kg. All photos of the Kolben mortar are from the valka.cz forum an were taken by authors of the posts.
Also known as spigot mortars, Brits used something similar designated as the 2-inch medium mortar and the French had the Mortier de 58 mm type 2. Concept outlasted WWI by a good bit, some variants of the Churchill AVRE in WWII used a 230mm spigot mortar nicknamed the "Flying Dustbin" and the highly questionable Blacker Bombard for the Home Army was based on the same concept. Japan also made limited use of the Type 98 320mm spigot mortar at Iwo Jima and Okinawa, but the launch tubes for those only lasted 5-6 shots and their effect was more psychological.

And of course the infamous Davy Crockett nuclear "recoilless rifle" was actually more of a spigot mortar than a recoilless rifle.
 
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The Albrecht 24 cm trench mortar. The barrel is wood with wound wire reinforcement. The projectiles were both manufactured and locally created, often being no more than a simple can of explosives and a separate propelling charge.
 
Also known as spigot mortars, Brits used something similar designated as the 2-inch medium mortar and the French had the Mortier de 58 mm type 2. Concept outlasted WWI by a good bit, some variants of the Churchill AVRE in WWII used a 230mm spigot mortar nicknamed the "Flying Dustbin" and the highly questionable Blacker Bombard for the Home Army was based on the same concept. Japan also made limited use of the Type 98 320mm spigot mortar at Iwo Jima and Okinawa, but the launch tubes for those only lasted 5-6 shots and their effect was more psychological.
Germans did as well. The 20cm and 38cm Ladungserfer were spigot mortars used by Germans in ww2. They were build with ww1 experience in mind and the 38cm one was phased out in the early war, due to it´s large weight.
The Albrecht 24 cm trench mortar. The barrel is wood with wound wire reinforcement. The projectiles were both manufactured and locally created, often being no more than a simple can of explosives and a separate propelling charge.
According to wikipedia a 35cm and 45cm models were also used.
 
Germans did as well. The 20cm and 38cm Ladungserfer were spigot mortars used by Germans in ww2. They were build with ww1 experience in mind and the 38cm one was phased out in the early war, due to it´s large weight.

According to wikipedia a 35cm and 45cm models were also used.
Likely there were a number of sizes since most were locally manufactured rather than a standardized design turned out in a factory.
 
Don't forget the Hedgehog ASW mortar.
Also known as spigot mortars, Brits used something similar designated as the 2-inch medium mortar and the French had the Mortier de 58 mm type 2. Concept outlasted WWI by a good bit, some variants of the Churchill AVRE in WWII used a 230mm spigot mortar nicknamed the "Flying Dustbin" and the highly questionable Blacker Bombard for the Home Army was based on the same concept. Japan also made limited use of the Type 98 320mm spigot mortar at Iwo Jima and Okinawa, but the launch tubes for those only lasted 5-6 shots and their effect was more psychological.

And of course the infamous Davy Crockett nuclear "recoilless rifle" was actually more of a spigot mortar than a recoilless rifle.
 
Different German experimental and small-known artillery:
 

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Isn't this what you are talking about?
I don't know. May be.
Also, 7,7 cm L/20 gun (?) :
 

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Also, about 15 cm VH:
4525 kg, 44 kg shell, 600 mps, 14.5 km range

It is interesting that the word used is "kartaune", an old designation for siege guns from the 16th century. Moreover, “light kartaune” should mean that there is also a “heavy kartaune” of a larger caliber (210 mm? 280 mm?)
In Russia in the 1890s, some gun projects were called “unicorns,” like smooth-bore gun-howitzers of the 18th-19th centuries. The projects had calibers of 4.8, 6, 8, 9, 11 and 13 inches, close to 18th century "unicorns" calibers, due to lack of money these projects were not implemented.
 
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Hi.

regarding that Schneider-Canet naval guns:

The japanese Army bought around 35-40 12 cm naval guns under the designation: "12 cm Schneider-Canet-Type Gun" for their coastal fortresses. The caliber length of this guns is given as L/30. I know that the standard length for the 12 cm guns was L/45 and I also found some pics of the long guns (like the one posted above). But the only pic of the L/30 I know is one of a gun mounted on an IJA Type 95 Heavy Tank chassis in the early 1940s as trial SPG:

jap typ 95 exp spg.jpg

Are there any further pics of the short guns?

Yours

tom! ;)
 

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