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newsdeskdan

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Wurger said:
Dan, can you please check if the 1944 heavy weapons modified Ju 188 and the 1944 flying wing incorporate a Hs 129 like cockpit? This I take from Smith/Kay`s "German Aircraft of World war Two", back from the 70`s.
The Ju 188 was to have a heavily armoured cockpit "designed according to the experience of Hs 129". No mention of the Hs 129 in the flying wing description.
 

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Dan, I hate to be a bugger, but can you please also check if:

the 1936/1938 bomber projects w/Jumo 210 have a stepped cabin or a greenhouse one;

the 1938 single seat fighter w/ rotating wing has tandem rotors.

This material are awesome! Congrats on amassing such impressive ammounts of original documents.
 

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Wurger said:
Dan, I hate to be a bugger, but can you please also check if:

the 1936/1938 bomber projects w/Jumo 210 have a stepped cabin or a greenhouse one;

the 1938 single seat fighter w/ rotating wing has tandem rotors.

This material are awesome! Congrats on amassing such impressive ammounts of original documents.
The 1936 bomber project was to have a 'Vollsichtkanzel' and the 1938 one was the same but with a different wing configuration.

The 1938 fighter's wing seems to have rotated like that of the BV 144 or P 188, rather than being a rotor.
 

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Super!!! That leave us with a 1942 helicopter project (P.77) absent in this report, but mentioned in "Laufende Auftraege" of the Henschel Jahrbuch for 1942. This was stated by Steve Coates, the expert in german helicopter development, our forum member.
 

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Anther mystery,

also here,they spoke about Henschel HS-292 as an air-to-ship guided missile ?,

https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=kckIOtfftzwC&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=henschel+hs.292&source=bl&ots=Knrohhbxu2&sig=gHBL3Psh9yXf0iuo-7sjLaqvU0k&hl=ar&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJy6OgrMLeAhUE-qQKHfjNA5cQ6AEwDXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=henschel%20hs.292&f=false
 

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hesham said:
Anther mystery,

also here,they spoke about Henschel HS-292 as an air-to-ship guided missile ?,

https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=kckIOtfftzwC&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=henschel+hs.292&source=bl&ots=Knrohhbxu2&sig=gHBL3Psh9yXf0iuo-7sjLaqvU0k&hl=ar&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJy6OgrMLeAhUE-qQKHfjNA5cQ6AEwDXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=henschel%20hs.292&f=false
A typo for 293.
 

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In such cases it may be helpful just to google the author to find, if his books can be at least regarded
as slightly credible. Here it's only a typo, of course, but if we have a look at other of Henry Stevens titles like
- "Dark Star: The Hidden History of German Secret Bases, Flying Disks & U-Boats"
- "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology"
- "Hitler's Flying Saucers: A Guide to German Flying Discs of the Second World War" (including a report by a German test
pilot who actually flew one of the flying saucers )
things may become a bit clearer. Hopefully ! ::)
 

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My various artworks of the Hs P 122.
The first two were commissioned by Dan Sharp (newdeskdan) for one of his excellent bookazines, while the last one was originally commissioned by Thomas Hitchcock for Manfred Griehl's second volume on Luftwaffe secret jet projects.
 

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Great, thanks for posting !
Don't get me wrong, it's just a question : Isn't the red band on the fin with the, ehm, thingy
in the white circle a typical pre-war marking ?
 

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newsdeskdan said:
I will eventually. See below. The 28th and last one is my personal favourite - evidently Henschel designed the pressure cabin for the DFS 228 but regarded the rest of the 228 as "aerodynamically unrefined". It was therefore proposed to create a tailless altitude/speed record attempt aircraft by putting together a DFS 228 pressure cabin, P 135 wings and an all-new fuselage.
There are a handful of sketches (not original drawings) with the report but also a selection of photos, including one of a P 75 model that looks quite a lot different from the design depicted elsewhere.
I've attached the frontispiece, p2 (to give you an idea of the layout) and p40 which has the weird DFS 228/P 135 hybrid description on it.

The 28 break down as:
Single-seat fighter - four projects
1938 fighter with rotating wing
1941 P 75
1944-45 P 130
1944-45 P 135 (in parallel with P 130)

Heavy fighter - three projects
1936 similar to Bf 110
1944 heavy weapons mod Ju 188
1944 flying wing

Ground-attack aircraft - five projects (no individual dates, just '1939-43' to encompass them all)
similar to Hs 123
similar to Fw 190
similar to Hs 129
2 x jet single-seater with limited calibre weapons
similar to V-1

Bomber - three projects
1936 4 x Jumo 210
1938 4 x Jumo 210 but canard configuration
1944 4 x BMW 018 tailless

Battlefield reconnaissance - one project
1940 heavily modified two-seater Hs 129

Long-range reconnaissance - three projects
1942 2 engine high-altitude
1943 3 x jet canard
1944 as 1943 but tailless

Commercial/military transport - four projects
1941 2 engine high-speed airliner for DLH
1942 4 engine transatlantic airliner for DLH
1942 as above but diesel-fuelled for DLH
1942 tactical transport for Luftwaffe

Special aircraft - five projects
1941 2 x pulsejet light bomber
1944 unguided missile with glider attached
1944 P 136
1944 P 136 with additional ramjet
(no date) DFS 228/P 135 hybrid
My dear Dan,

is there any chance to see them in your next book ?.
 

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Any info about this project?
This is a hoax. I made a 'what if' model years ago made from spare bits using Unicraft kits. Someone took it further. I wouldn't think I was that good an Historian if it was true. I have a couple of pictures somewhere.
 

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Any info about this project?
This is a hoax. I made a 'what if' model years ago made from spare bits using Unicraft kits. Someone took it further. I wouldn't think I was that good an Historian if it was true. I have a couple of pictures somewhere.
My mistake....I thought it was referring to the Asymmetric pic. Must get some new glasses...
 

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Hi,


Hs P.76 was a twin engined low-mid-wing ground attack project,looks like Hs.129.
You are correct in your observation hesham

"The Henschel P.76 was a design for a larger version of the Hs 129A that would have solved some of that aircraft's main problems. The Hs 129A-0 had been inspected by pilots from Erprobungskommando 129 (a special unit formed to bring the aircraft into service) in November 1940, and they had not been impressed. The Argus engines didn't provide enough power for the increasingly heavy aircraft, and the armoured cockpit had tiny windows with very limited visibility. The pilot's reports on the new aircraft was almost universally poor, and early in 1941 the Luftwaffe made it clear that it was not going to accept the Hs 129A-1 production aircraft that were then approaching completion.

The Henschel design team, lead by Dipl Ing Friedrich Nicolaus, had seen this problem coming, and soon had a new design ready. The P.76 would have been a larger version of the Hs 123, with a wing span of 50ft 10 N in, four feet wider than on the Hs 123, and a length of 33ft 2in, up by just over a foot. The P.76 would have been powered by two 700hp Gnome & Rhône 14M 04/05 radial engines, a large number of which had been captured after the fall of France.

Although the new design was clearly superior to the cramped Hs 129, it would have delayed the production of an anti-tank aircraft by at least a year, and this was unacceptable to the Luftwaffe. Instead Nicolaus was ordered to fit the Gnome & Rhône engines to the existing Hs 129A-1s, to produce the pre-production B-0..."




(Source: http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_henschel_P_76.html)

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