US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971

[hesham]

Hi,

Anther Lockheed SST early concept as 3 Mach aircraft
and some unknown SST concepts.


http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1959/1959%20-%200709.pdf

It's Convair designs.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/issue/19590202#!&pid=38

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19630401/30/2
http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19630401/31/2

 

[hesham]

And;

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19600502/31/2
http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19600502/32/2

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19591207/60/2

 

[MaxLegroom]

Hesham,

Thanks for the color copy of the NAC 60 article. I'd first copied this for myself years ago, perhaps with the intent of building a plastic model of it. The library at William and Mary had an excellent magazine collection at one time, and I think that's where I saw it.

 

[MaxLegroom]

Back to the matter of the Lockheed L-2000 design. Here's a few images, admittedly downsized for somewhat practical use (the originals are absolutely monstrous).

Lockheed planned (as presumably Boeing did, too) for each engine accordingly.

 

[Orionblamblam]

(the originals are absolutely monstrous).

Neat images. I'd love to get my mitts on full-rez scans. How big is "monstrous?" They look like foldouts from standard size reports; I've scanned prints more than two feet wide by ten feet long.

 

[blackkite]

Back to the matter of the Lockheed L-2000 design. Here's a few images, admittedly downsized for somewhat practical use (the originals are absolutely monstrous).

Lockheed planned (as presumably Boeing did, too) for each engine accordingly.

Amazing!!!
Thank you very much. You made my day. At last we get these drawings.What a beauty indeed. B)
Top drawing shows L-2000-7A with GE4 engine.
Middle drawing shows L-2000-7B with P&W JTF17 engine.
Bottom drawing shows L-2000-7A with P&W JTF17 engine.
Of course there is a one more drawing which shows L-2000-7B with GE4 engine.

 

[JimK]

What Scott may be hinting at is that, if this forum is to be a useful repository of historical images, such as manufacturer's three-view drawings, those drawings should be posted with a resolution such that one can read the dimensions and notes. Individual attachments are allowed up to 1,750 KB. That is about twenty times the size of the L-2000 drawings posted, above. Make use of the size allowed and, if necessary, crop the useless stuff around the edges.

 

[MaxLegroom]

blackkite,

I may well have that -7B with GE engines, but at the time, I couldn't find it.

Orionblamblam,

Absolutely monstrous refers as much to file size as the size of the original drawings. The drawings themselves were about 18" by 40", IIRC. The size of the 600dpi .png files I originally scanned were, for the most part, over 500MB before editing.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Absolutely monstrous refers as much to file size as the size of the original drawings. The drawings themselves were about 18" by 40", IIRC. The size of the 600dpi .png files I originally scanned were, for the most part, over 500MB before editing.

I've found little need to go beyond 300 dpi for diagrams and blueprints; it really only helps when dealing with *really* high rez items like original photographs and such. Scale 'em down to 300 dpi, go with grayscale and tinker with the levels slightly to get rid of any slight graying of the background, and the filesize will collapse substantially without any real loss in detail. Save as a minimally compressed JPG and filesize will fall even further. If you want, post a small crop of one of your diagrams (say, the area around the cockpit), and I bet a bunch of of us will promptly show what a little bit of massaging can do for filesize.

 

[blackkite]

blackkite,

I may well have that -7B with GE engines, but at the time, I couldn't find it.

Orionblamblam,

Absolutely monstrous refers as much to file size as the size of the original drawings. The drawings themselves were about 18" by 40", IIRC. The size of the 600dpi .png files I originally scanned were, for the most part, over 500MB before editing.

Thanks a lot.

 

[MaxLegroom]

Here we go again...

 

[blackkite]

Super!!! B)
I'm happy, and seem to lose consciousness. ;D
I feel wing plan shape and front shape is basically linear.

 

[aim9xray]

Well, for one thing, there's no need for the image to be in color. Strictly speaking, going to B&W will drop your uncompressed file size by 2/3s. Here's a quick reprocessing of the image plus a little fluffing and buffing.

 

[blackkite]

Thanks a lot. Anyway wonderful, sharp and beautiful drawing.
It takes about 50years to see these drawings.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19640323/20/2

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19630708/38/2
http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19630610/28/2

 

[uk 75]

One of the 26 option holders for the Boeing 2707 is listed as Transamerican Leasing. Does anyone know what they intended to do with 2 ssts. Presumably as the name suggests, they were to leased out to airlines who did not have an sst. But which airlines?
Also what did Airlift International plan to do with one plane.

 

[MaxLegroom]

Transamerica Leasing would have been related to Trans International Airlines, which along with Airlift,weren't the only charter carriers interested in the SST. World Airways also had placed options on the 2707.

 

[uk 75]

Thanks. I was not able to find any background on net sites for Airlift and Transamerican. But World Airways does have an artist impression and explanation of its interest. World and TIA did go on to order 747 but Airlift?

 

[flateric]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3D-OANUj0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1HatqZ01GI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYwxoYoGQVA

 

[datafuser]

The money value of time was an important variable in assessing the economic viability of the SST project. In 1966 the FAA thought it would be 150% of a person's average hourly earnings. In 1970 the NBER estimated it could be as little as 60% of a person's average hourly earnings.

 

[MaxLegroom]

Those were interesting videos, but, again, they cut out a large chunk of the sequence of the Lockheed's landing gear raising and lowering, which would be very interesting to see.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I found this US SST Project on Ebay,very close to Douglas concept,was it a real one ?.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Aeroplane-Commercial-Aviation-News-Jan-24-1963-/201457326285?hash=item2ee7cad8cd:g:w6IAAOSwAYtWMUjC

 

[RAP]

Nice inboard drawing of the McDonnell M.2.2 SST from AWST 10/1/73.

 

[Spook]

Boeing 733-197

I have made the photo smaller. Head over to the link to save the original size.

~Ak

https://runway.boeingstore.com/2015/12/01/boeing-star-wars/

 

[RAP]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lockheed-L-2000-SST-Boeing-2707-100-SST-16-x20-Print-/172196533100?hash=item2817b6936c:g:miIAAOSwX~dWskll

 

[RAP]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-Model-2707-300-SST-16-x20-Print-/172211455357?hash=item28189a457d:g:2GEAAOSwo6lWLuYM

 

[circle-5]

NASA wind tunnel model testing of SCAT-15F study, around 1965-66. This model was also capable of loose-tethered free flight (via remote-control) inside the wind tunnel. Not sure if SCAT-15F was ever picked up by a US manufacturer as a basis for SST development ...

 

[fightingirish]

Lockheed SST proposals paintings from Robert Reedy Collection at San Diego Air & Space Museum Flickr site. .

Here an appetizer.

 

[RAP]

Nice artwork. This seller has lots of SST artwork for sale.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-Model-2707-100-SST-16-x20-Print-/112033429256?hash=item1a15b67708:g:GUoAAOSwMmBVuupQ

 

[RAP]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-Model-2707-300-SST-8-x10-Print-/112014499417?hash=item1a14959e59

 

[RAP]

Way too rich for my blood but a nice looking model.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-PacMin-Boeing-Supersonic-SST-Jet-Model-Pacific-Minitures-Airplane-/391506538074?hash=item5b279bae5a:g:sakAAOSwRJ9Xhs~d

 

[MaxLegroom]

Just a little more information, from the January 5, 1970 Aviation Week, IIRC, in the form of the delivery schedule as it was at that time.

 

[sferrin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XWWybkVdPU

 

[circle-5]

A Republic Aviation SST in US military markings (postcard, currently for sale on eBay). No further information.

 

[sienar]

From; http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.de/geschichte/flugzeuge/us-ueberschallverkehrsflugzeuge/599298

The first four are the NAA design, the last one an early Lockheed design

There are a couple more interesting pics at the link of the Boeing and Lockheed mockups

 

[MaverickSawyer]

Not sure if you guys had seen this yet, but this is lurking at the Museum of Flight's Restoration Center at Paine Field...

That is the forward third of the mockup. The rest rotted away in Florida, and as it stands, they wouldn't have had the space for it if it had survived.

EDIT: redid the photo link, as it wasn't working. Sorry about the low quality, but my phone's camera is garbage.

 

[Triton]

Boeing SST concept painting by Michael Casad.

Here is a VERY scarce vintage and ORIGINAL one-of-Kind factory concept painting by aviation artist Michael Casad! This painting done by him when he worked at the Boeing Company. I sold this painting some time ago, but, the local buyer was in need of cash, so, I now have this beauty up for your consideration again. The image itself measures roughly 36" x 23", larger when you add in the illustration board. Some wear over the years, but, still very bright, and stunning to see in person. Aircraft company concept paintings of this caliber are seldom available to the public, especially one depicting a bird that never flew.

Source:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vtg-Original-Boeing-SST-Aircraft-Concept-Painting-by-Artist-Mike-Casad-/361903794056?hash=item544325a788:g:9o0AAOSwUKxYk-T8