frank said:Thanks! Now I can figure the dims on her!
Among the rare western aircraft on display at Zhukovskiy, the Mirage F.1AZ in SAAF markings was definitely the most exotic one. This fighter, powered by a Russian SMR-95 engine (modernised MiG-29 RD-33 engine) is able to carry four R-73E AA-11 'Archer' air-to-air missiles. Named the Super Mirage F.1, it has been developed in co-operation by Klimov and Vympel in Russia and by Aerosud and Marvotech in South Africa. During the early nineties, the SAAF had considered the upgrade of its Mirage F.1 with the help of Russia, but the co-operation agreement broke down just after the first materials had been shipped. However, a single airframe (n°216) had been modified, early in 1994. As the Russian jet engine had been shipped back to Russia, Mirage n°216 went to Zhukovskiy by Il-76. The Super Mirage, again mated with a Russian engine, made its first test flight from Zhukovskiy on 9 August 2001, piloted by Major Johannes Joubert of the SAAF. It was claimed that it was the first flight of a foreign military aircraft to take place from this airfield. It remains to be proved, as for example, F-5s and A-37s were secretly tested in Akhtubinsk years before. Although the last SAAF F.1 were officially retired on 25 November 1997, negotiations between South African and Russian businessmen resumed in 2000, the objective now being to demonstrate the ability of the Russian aeronautical industry to upgrade western aircraft. Numerous countries are still flying the Mirage F.1, including 'rogue' ones, which cannot get any help from Dassault. South Africa has still 21 Mirage F.1AZs in storage at Waterkloof, waiting for a potential buyer. Armscor and Rosoboronexport are now responsible for the marketing of the Super Mirage, the price for the upgrade of a Mirage lying between three and four millions Dollars. This F.1 upgrade concept is however anachronistic: the upgrade of older aircraft most of the time concerns the avionics and the weapons systems rather than the engine. Compared to the SNECMA Atar 9K50 original engine (7,200 kn with AB), the SMR-95 engine is 300 kg lighter and more powerful (8,300 kn with AB). With 17,000 metres, the ceiling is 2,000 metres higher, whereas the range at cruising speed is augmented from 1,820 to 2,250 km. The maximum speed is voluntarily limited to Mach 1.8 (Mach 2.2 with the Atar engine). In any respect the flying display of that Super Mirage was quite more aggressive than that of an ordinary F.1.
Ah, but where did the Mirage get it's start?
Answer: Fairey Delta 2. 'nuff said.
:-\.... The MD550 first flew a year (1955) after the FD2 (1954). And the FD2 has always been regarded as the model for the MD550, down to the planform and even size (a big giveaway). Marcel Dassault's taunt was aimed at the fact that he had managed to use their(the British) information and design and come up with a successful aircraft while they threw it away. He knew they came up with it first and yet he got the most out of it. Lippisch may have been a starting point, but overall the FD2 design dictated the final form. About the only item that marks Lippisch's involvement was the tail. How else could they design and fly such an aircraft in less than two years? :-\alertken said:'nuff said, Ha!
Delta aerodynamics was booty, disseminated by RAE, NACA/US, ONÉRA/France. M.Dassault taunted: “If it were not for the clumsy way (UK) tackle things, you could have made (it.)” J.Gee,Mirage,71,MacDonald: he alluded to FD.2, seen at Cazaux, departing 2 days before rollout of 1st. Mirage III. This super thread shows its lineage was not from Fairey, but M.D.550, inspired by Lippisch. Its ATAR was derived from BMW 003. If AMD picked any brains they were German...but they didn't. ONÉRA based a multi-role platform on a delta; everyone else saw as many problems as benefits from this layout. AMD was then so pro-active, Customer-friendly, as to win RAAF and dissuade them from an Avon fit. That is why UK commentators try to take vicarious credit for this fine, French product range.
Archibald said:Don't know if this help, but the Mirage development started in 1951. At the beginning, it was a Mystere IV with a delta wing, not more! Project was refined between 1951 and 1954...
Like I said, similar size, similar perfromance. And I doubt by accident. Russia wasn't the only one who copied designs...
Archibald said:Like I said, similar size, similar perfromance. And I doubt by accident. Russia wasn't the only one who copied designs...
you're right, there was a dropping nose on the Mirage III, but it was never use and fixed in the end. ;D
and MiG-15 was a copy of the F-86, the spitfire was also a copy of the 109...
de Jean MOLVEAU (07/02/2007 18:31:45)
Je réponds ici en tant que coauteur avec Pierre Gaillard du futur
ouvrage sur les projets et réalisations de Nicolas-Roland Payen.
S'il n'est pas encore paru, c'est tout simplement qu'il n'est pas fini
et que nos emplois du temps sont respectivement assez chargés...
En tout cas, merci de votre impatience, qui j'espère, sera
récompensée dans quelques temps.