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Ministry of National Defense Introduces Yildirimhan ICBM @ SAHA'26 EXPO

Range - 6000km
 

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Combat-Master said:
Ministry of National Defense Introduces Yildirimhan ICBM @ SAHA'26 EXPO

Range - 6000km


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This is quite bonkers, and I honestly don’t know how to feel about it.

On one hand, TR technically being able to develop an "ICBM" is actually somewhat plausible, given many years of work on indigenous SLVs (which, AFAWK, haven’t been launched in their ultimate versions yet aside from demonstrators) and their "stepping stones." However, the military has always been quite secretive about its BM efforts, so them being this transparent about an ICBM is quite uncharacteristic and does not serve Turkish geopolitical interests at all; if anything, it disserves them.

OTOH, we’re talking about the MoD R&D centre, and they do have a habit of making claims that stretch beyond their actual capabilities, such as the 42,000 lbf turbofan model they’re currently displaying at this fair. That is something they have no capability whatsoever to develop in-house, nor are they involved as a subcontractor in TEI’s TF35000 programme (TEI’s engine itself delivers 35,000 lbf wet).

Quite peculiar indeed…

TLDR:
  • It is plausible that TR can eventually develop an ICBM given the past SLV work.
  • But displaying such a missile and talking about it it openly is weird and goes against their usual secrecy and interests.
  • This is coming from the MoD R&D, who tend to overhype themselves and showcase things they never talk about again (such as that 42,000 lbf turbofan they are showing - they are not even involved in the actual TEI engine program)
 
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snne said:
OTOH, we’re talking about the MoD R&D centre, and they do have a habit of making claims that stretch beyond their actual capabilities, such as the 42,000 lbf turbofan model they’re currently displaying at this fair. That is something they have no capability whatsoever to develop in-house, nor are they involved as a subcontractor in TEI’s TF35000 programme (TEI’s engine itself delivers 35,000 lbf wet).
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It's the MOD, they own the TF35000 programme - what you on about?
 
Combat-Master said:
It's the MOD, they own the TF35000 programme - what you on about?
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Actually, both the Kaan programme as well as the TF35k engine programme are "owned" by the Presidency of Defence Industries :p

Mate, putting aside all of our talking points, it is Roketsan who have been developing SLVs, BMs and all the relevant tech that could serve as a stepping stone to such a missile.

The military being totally transparent about an ICBM of all things is also quite uncharacteristic and it actually disserves Turkish geopolitical interests...
 
Why ICBM? does turkey have nukes or are they planning nukes? ICBMs are quite useless otherwise........ unless used for extreme bunker busting or mountain busting purposes they're conventional value is drastically limited especially considering CEP
 
lmaoxd said:
Why ICBM? does turkey have nukes or are they planning nukes? ICBMs are quite useless otherwise........ unless used for extreme bunker busting or mountain busting purposes they're conventional value is drastically limited especially considering CEP
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Apparently it's being developed with a 3ton warhead, likely thermobaric and or bunker busting - since that's what they've been working on mostly.

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snne said:
This is quite bonkers, and I honestly don’t know how to feel about it.

On one hand, TR technically being able to develop an "ICBM" is actually somewhat plausible, given many years of work on indigenous SLVs (which, AFAWK, haven’t been launched in their ultimate versions yet aside from demonstrators) and their "stepping stones." However, the military has always been quite secretive about its BM efforts, so them being this transparent about an ICBM is quite uncharacteristic and does not serve Turkish geopolitical interests at all; if anything, it disserves them.

OTOH, we’re talking about the MoD R&D centre, and they do have a habit of making claims that stretch beyond their actual capabilities, such as the 42,000 lbf turbofan model they’re currently displaying at this fair. That is something they have no capability whatsoever to develop in-house, nor are they involved as a subcontractor in TEI’s TF35000 programme (TEI’s engine itself delivers 35,000 lbf wet).

Quite peculiar indeed…
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@Combat-Master

If we were to search for logic, perhaps the MoD R&D center is now being used as a mechanism to take on risky weapons projects (such as a threshold-ICBM) under the defense ministry to bypass embargoes. The missile gets developed by Roketsan but is branded with the MoD R&D logo, so to speak...
 
snne said:
it is Roketsan who have been developing SLVs
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A space launch-vehicle? Like Israel Turkey is, from a geographical point of view, a problematic location for launching satellites as the spent first-stage and payload fairings have to land somewhere.
 
Update on the Gokhan Ramjet AA missile development, apparently they've been working on the liquid/gel ramjet motor since 2018
"TÜBİTAK-SAGE Director Kemal Topalömer:

Under the GÖKHAN Project, Turkey is developing an air-to-air missile powered by a liquid-fueled ramjet engine.

GÖKHAN, capable of reaching speeds of 4 Mach, will maintain its energy throughout the flight to narrow the target's escape window.
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A next-generation wind tunnel is being constructed at the SAGE facility, capable of testing from 0.2 Mach up to 4 Mach.

The next target is hypersonic missile technology powered by a scramjet engine."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2052679472420172043
View: https://x.com/gdhdefence/status/2052679472420172043?s=20
 
Big_Zukini said:
A 6,000km range makes little sense on its own. A 2,000km range with a heavy warhead makes much more sense when taking into account geopolitical factors.
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Interestingly it would be able to reach Beijing and aviation production plants in Eastern Russian, although whether that's actually a scenario they were considering is impossible to know.

After Iran attacks, Turkish industry seeing increased Gulf interest in air defense platforms​

https://breakingdefense.com/2026/05...eased-gulf-interest-in-air-defense-platforms/
Murat Kurtulus, deputy general manager of missile production giant Roketsan, said that his company received requests from Gulf states to procure two systems in particular, the firm’s Cirit missiles and Alka directed energy weapon system.
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Forest Green said:
Interestingly it would be able to reach Beijing and aviation production plants in Eastern Russian, although whether that's actually a scenario they were considering is impossible to know.
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Guys, let's not repeat this entire topic all over again...

It's already proven that this thing is pure vaporware. It's not even being developed by the institute that has been responsible for Turkey's BMs from the very beginning - it's supposedly being developed by the goddamn MoD R&D center, which has little to no resources or experience whatsoever...

Additionally, It's completely uncharacteristic of them to unveil a new ballistic missile - a goddamn ICBM of all things - before it's already been in service for at least a couple of years. Every Turkish BM revealed so far was only shown publicly long after it had already entered - at the very least - the very late testing stage.

The furthest Turkey's missile/rocket industry has actually reached so far is small Space Launch Vehicles with the Simsek-1. And even that still hasn't launched yet; in fact, it won't for at least another year (Simsek-2 is even further beyond!). To suddenly jump from that stage to a threshold-ICBM this early and this openly is absolutely nonsensical and completely out of character for them, when they've been this secretive and careful for three frickin' decades...

snne said:
Are y’all forgetting they showcased a ramjet-propelled artillery shell at last year's IDEF and then never brought it up again? And now we’re supposed to believe that at best a few hundred engineers can pull off multiple major projects at once, like an ICBM, a turboshaft engine, a high-thrust turbofan, a ramjet-propelled artillery shell, and so on, while entire nations struggle to deliver even one? Meanwhile, local giants like TEI or Roketsan have already spent close to a decade on each of these individually...

Am I the only sane person left in this thread?!
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snne said:
OTOH, we’re talking about the MoD R&D centre, and they do have a habit of making claims that stretch beyond their actual capabilities, such as the 42,000 lbf turbofan model they’re currently displaying at this fair. That is something they have no capability whatsoever to develop in-house, nor are they involved as a subcontractor in TEI’s TF35000 programme (TEI’s engine itself delivers 35,000 lbf wet).
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snne said:
Mate, putting aside all of our talking points, it is Roketsan who have been developing SLVs, BMs and all the relevant tech that could serve as a stepping stone to such a missile.

The military being totally transparent about an ICBM of all things is also quite uncharacteristic and it actually disserves Turkish geopolitical interests...
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Nart said:
The very same one. They don't write everything that they say in the briefs; it happens all the time. If you're curious, they held the press brief on the second floor, and it took nearly an hour. Admiral Aktürk openly said the engines are not designed to be used on any type of aircraft, and they don't have plans for serial production. It's not feasible to do it both economically and technically. He literally said "not feasible" btw (fizibil değil). The missile is also not real. It's a proof-of-concept that demonstrates the vision of MoD. I asked about the video as well. He said it was an unfortunate incident (maalesef talihsiz bir durum). And to give an example of what I said about them not writing everything. Sometimes, press members don't ask the questions they expect, so Admiral Aktürk scolds us a little jokingly and answers questions that we forget to ask.

Look, we already derailed this thread to oblivion. After Recep Tayyip Erdogan's behaviour today, we can clearly see what's right and what's not. He didn't visit ARGE Center. He visited Roketsan and signed Tayfun Blok4. He visited TEI and got briefed about TF35000. He didn't mention anything about the other things. I've been at SAHA for four days now, and people were quite furious, especially at SSB. I really believe that there will be consequences to this incident.
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