There's no way such a huge missile only reaches a maximum range of 150 km and an altitude of 30 km...
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My, how time flies...
What is the terminal velocity of this missile?Yep, turns out B3 is indeed an AShBM... In true AShBM fashion, it comes with a seeker:
View: https://x.com/muratikinci2/status/2073401900788039991?s=20
Remember when Cabatli first broke this back in the PDF days?
Turkey already has the 600+ km range Tayfun Block 2 missiles in service, while the 1500 km range Tayfun Block 4 and 2000 km range Cenk are moving toward production. I fail to see why Turkey would risk international sanctions by violating its commitments under the Missile Technology Control Regime just to acquire lower quality, less accurate Pakistani ballistic missiles that are incompatible with their other NATO systems.
With all due respect, I don't believe your argument makes sense. That's like saying X country's MALE drones are better than Y country's MALE drones simply because country X developed fifth generation fighters first. As of 2026 the Turkish defense industry is focused on longer range, single warhead ballistic missiles rather than MIRV capable ballistic missiles. For an adequate comparison, you should compare non MIRV Pakistani ballistic missiles with their Turkish equivalents. You would then reach the conclusion that equivalent Turkish ballistic missiles are superior to their Pakistani counterparts in terms of accuracy and precision. Being first to develop something doesn't necessarily matter. What matters is developing the better system. It is true that Pakistan developed AShBMs before Turkey. However Turkish AShBMs use a seeker built using Western derived materials science and technology, which is highly likely to be more advanced than technology derived from Chinese materials science.
turkyie r winning because the technical capability including auxiliary supply chain/workers as well national/cultural iintent are . Being neither tied to the West or the East makes them more dangerous than Ukraine as a weapons developer. As the speaker states national power stems from weapons and associated capability. Most of the West's population still doesnt grasp this.
"seeker technology from Tayfun block 3 will also be integrated into aeroballistic missiles like IHA-122, 230 and 300-ER.
TOLUN I - Impact Fuse, Fragmentation Warhead
TOLUN F - Proximity Fuse, Fragmentation Warhead
TOLUN P - Programmable Time Fused, Penetrator WarheadThree versions of TOLUN (Small diameter bomb) tested, dropped from Akinci UCAV.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc81hoBryX0
Great lateral trim authority and asymmetric-load tolerance...
Not really. There’s another missile (Gökbora) being developed by another company (Roketsan) that is much closer to being a literal Turkish Meteor analogue, using solid-fuel ramjet propulsion.
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Modern missiles gain the increase in range with "lofting", and ramjets are generally inferior in this aspect.
Top speed is a desirable quality against capable fighters, especially more so in a VLO vs VLO scenario. Ramjet missiles are limited to Mach 4.
High-speed missiles can be both lighter, cheaper and longer-ranged with rocket engines. It's not possible to achieve high ballistic trajectories with ramjets. The advantage of ramjets is being able to fly at low altitudes for a long time.
Maintaining speed and relative velocity after the engine shut-down are also important. A Mach 3 ramjet missile would be advantageous against an approaching aircraft, while a Mach 5 rocket could be more advantageous against a retreating one. Time to target is critical and ramjets bleed energy much faster once they burn out.
You're treating Turkish defence industry like one company with one centralized RD program. It isn't. Gökbora and Gökhan are competing programs from different enterprises and industrial interests with different ramjet approaches. Overlap doesn't automatically mean waste as competition allows you to choose the best option.
I’m not. But the point is that they’re clearly aware of the urgent need for longer-ranged AAMs, which is precisely why the pre-2025 plan was to have Gökhan (Block-1) ready by 2027. Unless they’ve decided to drop Block-1 altogether after the 2025 change in plans, it’d still have to be inducted alongside Kaan Block 10...
You’re overlooking something. Developing smaller number of missile projects doesn’t necessarily speed up the schedule, because the engineers and technicians are working for different companies. If you reduce the number of projects being developed by different companies, you’ll simply end up developing fewer missiles in the same amount of time. And if you force different companies to collaborate, the team becomes too large, the division of responsibilities becomes more complicated, and you still end up developing fewer missiles in the same amount of time. Brooks’s Law applies quite well to defense industry projects.
