The dual-control Tornado GR.1s were fully combat capable, I have never seen a reference stating that they were not and indeed that is why they never received a separate designation, none of the other Tornado partner nations gave their conversion trainers a different designation either.
The small amount of flight instruments only replaced the port CRT display, so did not remove everything the Nav/WSO needed.
Where the confusion might of come from is that the TTTE received many of the first batch of 23 GR.1s that lacked the LRMTS and that batch included 12 of the 36 twin-stick Tornados built.
The MoD FOI request response bob225 posted is interesting though, I had always thought - and its always been claimed - that the GR.1(T) designation was purely unofficial, likewise the F.3(T). I have never come across mention of the GR.4(T) before either.
Nope. They are based on early models shown publicly which have been said to not have intakes for security reasons. Perhaps instead they were based on wind tunnel models which have faired-over intakes, seems more likely to me. At no point were these "real".i notice some of the Panavia 100 model and illustrations have no visible Air intake.
are those blended Intake, from BAC and heritage of the UKVG program?
Nope. They are based on early models shown publicly which have been said to not have intakes for security reasons. Perhaps instead they were based on wind tunnel models which have faired-over intakes, seems more likely to me. At no point were these "real".
If I remember correctly, Panavia-100 and Panavia-200 names have been used for single-seater and two-seater projects of Panavia
The fin tank was recommissioned for GW1, in normal ops it was not used.The picture of the canopy-less flight was after the loss of a GR1 where the nav ejected but the pilot didn’t and died. There was a lot of controversy as to how this had happened and I believe the flight was to rebuild confidence from aircrew that it was safe(ish). Of course the propensity of the secondary power system to catch fire didn’t help either...
Re ADV having a fin tank - so do the strikes, but generally put out of use as it was a pain in the arse (leaks).
Some interesting info on production Tornados, but absolutely off-topic for this section of the forum. This dicussion is supposed to be about unbuilt projects related to the Tornado.
Please try to post in appropriate topics!
The picture here is the "below" part of the caption, an actual Tornado rather than AFVG.
I think along the same line - I have read in a few places that they considered fitting EJ200's to the F.3 at least. Was that ever really more than just a "hey that sounds cool" idea or did they actually investigate the matter before quite rightly abandoning it on cost grounds?Just been rereading this thread; with regard to the Tornado 2000, did the RAF ever evaluate the design with any intention of actually purchasing it? Also with a regard to a lighter fighter variant, I have read that the RB 199 is unsuitable for the rapid changes to the power setting that is required in air combat manoeuvering?
Would the stripped down Tornado remain a twin-seater, or would it have resembled the Panavia 100?Flight international 1979, p 502-503 mentions a stripped-down Tornado (- 3000 lbs "by removing avionics and possibly the second man") to meet AST 403.
"Industry replied to AST 403 with 30 designs ranging from a souped - up Jaguar to a stripped - down Tornado..."
This is all from snippets on google books, but it seems to stay with the Tornado fuselage and VG wings? Is this one of the projects already mentionned?
Tornado 2000 has already been pictured in this thread. But do any publications illustrate the other unbuilt projects mentioned? What about "Typhoon to Typhoon"? Thanks in advance.
Yes, there are a few things not quite correct in that video. I won’t call them out in public, though. Poor form!Welcome Gaznav, I saw the video below a few days ago and after his description of the RB199 as a turbojet rather than a turbofan, I wondered about his other comments. You seem to be the ideal person to comment on the video if you have the time.
TOMCAT Pilot Talks About His Exchange Tour Flying the Tornado F3 with the RAF | Interview Clips - YouTube
I wasn’t aware of any changes to the airframe. The thing I did hear was that although EJ200s would fit in the Tornado, they would not fit the the thrust reverser buckets. So you would need a way to stop the aircraft as the brakes were never designed as the primary stopping aid on landing .