Soviet 2S2 Airborne SPH?

[Pioneer]

G'day gents

I stumbled across this Soviet prototype 2S2 (122mm I assume!) airborne SPH design, which looks like it is based on the BMD-1 chassis

Does anyone have any more info (specifications/drawings/pics) on this design?
Also does anyone know why it didn't it enter service?

Looking forward to what we can come up with

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Husar]

Wow....that's probably the only photo of the 2S2 on the net ;D

The 2S2 "Fialka" used the 2A32-122 mm gun on a BMD-1 chasis, top speed of 60km/h, weighed 10T and had a crew of 4. Produced in 1968 and AFAIK a single prototype. It wasn't accepted in service because the BMD-1 had trouble handling the recoil of the gun.

Nothing on it in English but here's a couple Russian and one Czech page on the 2S2.

2С2 — Википедия

ru.wikipedia.org

Самоходная гаубица 2С2 Фиалка (объект 924) (Россия)

Самоходная гаубица 2С2 Фиалка (объект 924) (Россия)

dogswar.ru

2С2 Фиалка : USSR / Successional Countries USSR (SOV)

2S2 Fialka samohybná houfnice DD.MM.RRRR-DD.MM.RRRR

en.valka.cz

 

[lastdingo]

Reminds me of this M113-based 105mm SPH

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,820.15.html

 

[Husar]

Reminds me of this M113-based 105mm SPH
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,820.15.html

Same idea I guess

 

[Pioneer]

Thanks for your input gents

Happy New Year

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Stranger_NN]

Maybe, it is 2С8 "Ландыш" :

 

[Husar]

Maybe, it is 2С8 "Ландыш" :

I think you're right ;D

Have you got a pic of the 2S2?

 

[Stranger_NN]

Have you got a pic of the 2S2?

Unfortunately, photos 2C2 unavailable. :'( If I find - just tell!

 

[Pioneer]

Have you got a pic of the 2S2?

Yes please!!

Unfortunately, photos 2C2 unavailable. Cry If I find - just tell!

Fingers crossed!!

Sorry Stranger_NR, but I lack any Russian - what is

Maybe, it is 2С8 "Ландыш"

??
I looked at the link to the site you kindly highlighted, can you give me a rough translation ;D

Thanks gents for your input!!

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Stranger_NN]

Sorry Stranger_NN, but I lack any Russian - what is

Maybe, it is 2С8 "Ландыш"

I looked at the link to the site you kindly highlighted, can you give me a rough translation ;D

Thanks gents for your input!!

Regards
Pioneer

2C8 "Lily" (Convallária majális) - an experimental 120-mm self-propelled mortar, from which came to the rescue abandoned in favor of a universal system of Nona-S. As the chassis was used BTR-D, but from a "normal" mortar system different a large muzzle brake.

P.S. I am weak in English, so translation is very rough. :

 

[Husar]

I looked at the link to the site you kindly highlighted, can you give me a rough translation ;D

This is just a brief summary...

The gist of the text is whether the Soviets suffered from a 'superiority complex' for not considering the Czech built 'Pram-S' SP Mortar for the Soviet Army.

Pram-S link: http://community.livejournal.com/shushpanzer_ru/546393.html

Then there's a brief history of how the Soviets experimented with the 2S2 and 2S8 and eventually ended up with the 2S9 Nona which is a 'multi-role' support weapon (mortar + direct fire capability). The author asks the readers whether the right choice was made and maybe the Pram-S (which has a auto-loader and higher rate of fire) would've have been a better choice.

 

[Pioneer]

Thank you Stranger_NN for both your time and effort!

P.S. I am weak in English, so translation is very rough. Roll Eyes

I complement you on your English my friend!!

The gist of the text is whether the Soviets suffered from a 'superiority complex' for not considering the Czech built 'Pram-S' SP Mortar for the Soviet Army.

I've never thought of it in this light, but you have something in what you say! I think many in the West forgot the Czech's expertize in designing and building top class military equipment!

Looking at the 'Pram-S' (which I have to admit, I have seen, but not investigated as I should have over the years!!), one would think the basic concept/layout of the 'Pram-S'/BMP arrangement could have been incorporated into a stretched BMD chassis (granted without the 12.7mm AA MG and less amount of 120mm mortar bombs!

Thank you Husar for your time and effort also!!

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Husar]

No worries

Now only if we could get a pic of the 2S2

 

[Rickshaw]

Doesn't the Pram-S postdate the fall of the fUSSR?

 

[Stranger_NN]

"У советских собственная гордость: На буржуев смотрим свысока" (The Soviet's own pride: a bourgeois look down) - a quotation from the works of the Soviet poet Mayakovsky, very popular in the USSR. Title of the article plays up the phrase. It is ironic.

 

[Husar]

Doesn't the Pram-S postdate the fall of the fUSSR?

I think it was in development during the 1980's.

 

[Dball]

No worries

Now only if we could get a pic of the 2S2

I present to you pictures of 2 slightly different 120mm gun equipped BMD family SPGs..(one with smooth barrel, one with muzzle brake and fume extractor)

I SERIOUSLY BELIEVE IT IS THE SPECIMEN WITH THE MB AND FE ON THE BARREL.
as the smooth barrel looks more like a 100mm, 107mm or 115mm gun in my opinion .. now if only we knew what that SPG was...

 

[Pioneer]

Thank you for your time and effort in finding and posting these great pictures Dball!!

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Dball]

Thank you for your time and effort in finding and posting these great pictures Dball!!

Regards
Pioneer

No biggie at all...it was actually pretty darn easy all I did was look up "2S2 FIALKA" on Google and boom......most results were for the 2S3 SPH or the 2S8 SPM..but I remember finding those two online a little while back.

Whilest I love everything German WW2, WW2 Aeronautics ( Fighters, Bombers, aerial armaments..etc), busting myths which surround WW2 and the Axis which are perpetuated into perpetuity by media and inaccurate war movies. I do actually have interests in Soviet WW2 and Cold War military topics due to the secrecy around these projects and actions.

 

[Dball]

Seeing how I posted pics of 2 AFV/ SPGs with distinguishable differences.
Does anyone know what the second picture I posted is of??

The story goes that ONLY 1 2S2 WAS BUILT and that it HAD A 122MM D30 derived Howitzer. Well the D30 has a bore evacuator and a muzzlebrake. So that is the darker vehicle on the lighter background of the 2 vehicles I posted. So what is the lighter colored vehicle on the dark background.
It almost appears as if it has a 100mm or 107mm gun of sorts such as an AFV derivative of the 100mm M1944/ BS3 or 107mm m1910/30 or 107mm m1940(m60), 100mm MT-12 Rapira, or even 100mm B34 (naval) KS19 (infantry) AA gun hell even a variant of the 100mm D10/ D54