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Sikorsky S-67 Blackhawk

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The demonstrator was eventually fitted with a soundproofed, air conditioned cabin seating six , although the last two would have to be very good friends. From what I know of the proposed production version, this cabin would be expanded to seat eight combat equipped troops. There would be no access to or from the cockpit. Sikorsky was also talking about a (relatively) high speed troop insertion variant. This would have had a one foot wider cabin and would seat 12. I have seen that 15 number pop up in certain places, but like you I find it hard to believe.

Thanks for the information. It sounds like the fuselage would have to be stretched and widened for the proposed troop insertion variant. Yet would the production S-67 have an changed fuselage compared to the demonstrator, or was there enough room for a slightly larger cabin already? What occupied that space in demonstrator's original configuration, additional fuel?
 

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Colonial-Marine said:
F-14D said:
The demonstrator was eventually fitted with a soundproofed, air conditioned cabin seating six , although the last two would have to be very good friends. From what I know of the proposed production version, this cabin would be expanded to seat eight combat equipped troops. There would be no access to or from the cockpit. Sikorsky was also talking about a (relatively) high speed troop insertion variant. This would have had a one foot wider cabin and would seat 12. I have seen that 15 number pop up in certain places, but like you I find it hard to believe.

Thanks for the information. It sounds like the fuselage would have to be stretched and widened for the proposed troop insertion variant. Yet would the production S-67 have an changed fuselage compared to the demonstrator, or was there enough room for a slightly larger cabin already? What occupied that space in demonstrator's original configuration, additional fuel?

As far as I know, the wider fuselage on the troop carrier version would be sufficient to accommodate the four extra bodies.

The most significant changes that come to mind immediately on the production version were a new four blade 11 ft. diameter tail rotor, the stabilator would be restricted to +/- 20 degrees, the eight person cabin mentioned earlier and some modifications to the wing. It would be slightly lengthened to permit three weapons stations under each wing (plus the tip stations), the inner one of which would be wet. Among the armament loads proposed were 24 TOWs; another was 14 AIM-9s. There was talk that the landing gear would be moved somewhat forward and outboard, which would enable it to retract into the fuselage, allowing the sponson size to be reduced, thereby reducing flat plate frontal area from the demonstrator's 17 sq. ft. I don't know offhand whether the wings would still be as easily removable on the production version as they were on the demonstrator, since now they would have fuel lines from the inboard stations. Might still be removable, but would involve more than just four bolts.

They expected to use helmet mounted sights for aiming . They would not be as capable as what came of later technology, envisioning that the sight would get the gun really close to the target and tracers being used to walk the shells the final bit. The rotor head fairing was reportedly going to be inflatable with zippers.
 

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On a cover of magazine Aviation Week and Space Technology August 1974 it is represented S-67 Blackhawk, can in magazine there are still pictures of this helicopter and if is who can lay out on this page. Thanks.
 

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http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=106265 Here to this address there is interesting picture Sikorsky S-67.ja couldn't to transfer it, move please.
 

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In the 1975 RAF Woodbridge community day programme they had a photo of the S-67 and it very much looks like it was taken on Woodbridge but i'm not 100% sure.
 

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Here's to these addresses interesting photo-67 http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthread.php?5168236-Sikorsky-S-67 http://www.abpic.co.uk/results.php?q=Sikorsky+S-67&fields=all&sort=latest&limit=10
 

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Great find those photos from Germany! Thanks
 

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Yes Thanks! Those photos with people standing next to the bird give good perspective. It isn't as alrge as you'd expect from drawings or photos with nothing else to give scale.
 

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The good information on helicopter Sikorsky S-67 in Wikipedia to this address:

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD771161&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

but quality of pictures at copying very bad, can be eat this document in digital processing.
 

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mil said:
The good information on helicopter Sikorsky S-67 in Wikipedia to this address:

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD771161&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

but quality of pictures at copying very bad, can be eat this document in digital processing.

"No full text document exists for this AD Number."
 

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At this address there is http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=81455&hl=Sikorsky+S-67 Photos S-67
 

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At this address there is http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=81455&hl=Sikorsky+S-67 Photos S-67

Amazing pics. Thanks for the link!
 

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Photographs of the tragic accident that cost the lives of Pilot Kurt Cannon and Co-Pilot Stu Craig and the loss of the Sikorsky S-67 Blackhawk prototype.

From the JOHAN VISSCHEDIJK COLLECTION:
...the aircraft went to the Farnborough International Air Show in the UK. Having flown a total of 700 hours it was lost in a crash at Farborough on September 1, 1974, when it failed to complete an aerobatic maneuver, as pictured in these Flight International photos. The co-pilot Stu Craig was killed instantly, the pilot Kurt Cannon died ten days later.

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http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/6269.htm
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/6269L-1.jpg
 

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At this address there is http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=81455&hl=Sikorsky+S-67 Photos S-67
 

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The crash was on a foul day with rain, wind and low ceilings. I was there but did not see the accident itself.
 

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The first helicopter that made me think that I might want to fly helicopters.
 

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Triton said:
Oh yes! Please do some more of that old Adobe Photoshop magic!

Not Adobe Photoshop, but the order-of-magnitude-cheaper Paint Shop Pro. Specifically, the 1999 release. Yes, yes...

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Anyway, FYI that's the result of using the "fade correction" tool. Amazing what it can sometimes clear up.
 

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Orionblamblam said:
Triton said:
Oh yes! Please do some more of that old Adobe Photoshop magic!

Not Adobe Photoshop, but the order-of-magnitude-cheaper Paint Shop Pro. Specifically, the 1999 release. Yes, yes...

Glad to see I'm not the only dinosaur using the old Paint Shop Pro! (mine is a 1998 PSP 5!) It's a great tool that is good enough for most of the things I want to do, and I'd be lost without it!
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Glad to see I'm not the only dinosaur using the old Paint Shop Pro! (mine is a 1998 PSP 5!) It's a great tool that is good enough for most of the things I want to do, and I'd be lost without it!

I've got both the '99 release and the 2010 release. The later version has some neat features... but I still use the '99 release more. It has fewer features... which means a less cluttered interface. The "browser" is a hell of a lot better, too.

Hell, I'm still using Word and Excel '97. Ain't broke, don't fix it. Get off my lawn!
 

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Orionblamblam said:
I've got both the '99 release and the 2010 release. The later version has some neat features... but I still use the '99 release more. It has fewer features... which means a less cluttered interface. The "browser" is a hell of a lot better, too.

Hell, I'm still using Word and Excel '97. Ain't broke, don't fix it. Get off my lawn!

You are soooo right. Later versions of all software get unnecessarily cluttered and complicated. Take Word for instance, it has become a complete mess! I still used Word and Excel 97 until recently and still prefer them to all the later ones!!
 

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Who can prompt where an input for 6 soldiers and whether there were windows in it to a cabin
 

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I think an input there are from below cases looking at a photo it has no door
 

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Looking at some of the pictures, it looks like the S-67 was actually a fairly large helicopter. Although it looks like the prototype had no passenger compartment, I think it would be pretty easy to put one in the back to carry a small number of personnel.
 

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HeavyG said:
Looking at some of the pictures, it looks like the S-67 was actually a fairly large helicopter. Although it looks like the prototype had no passenger compartment, I think it would be pretty easy to put one in the back to carry a small number of personnel.

It's funny, I thought EXACTLY the same two things when looking at these pics: "Wow, never realized it was that large!" and "Could have been used to carry some troops...".
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
HeavyG said:
Looking at some of the pictures, it looks like the S-67 was actually a fairly large helicopter. Although it looks like the prototype had no passenger compartment, I think it would be pretty easy to put one in the back to carry a small number of personnel.

It's funny, I thought EXACTLY the same two things when looking at these pics: "Wow, never realized it was that large!" and "Could have been used to carry some troops...".

Just popping in for a moment...

I gave info on this here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3712.msg109812.html#msg109812
 

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