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kaiserd

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sferrin said:
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It could be argued. Incorrectly, ignorantly or willing misleadingly so argued.
No, not really. If you've gutted your military so you can spend it on social programs that's not called "holding up your end". (How many operational tanks and fighters does Germany have? Operational mind you.)
I don't want a waste of time tit-for-tat exchange, I would just ask you consider different perspectives rather than the line you are getting from some very specific sources.
Germany has not gutted its military to spend on social programs; that is definitively not true.
Following the end of the Cold War Germany cut it military spending as its principal threat had collapsed and it had to pay for reunification with East Germany.
In addition was the consideration of trying to avoid tensions with the emergent Russian federation etc.
Was Germany to slow in reacting to Putin regime. Yes, but they are reacting.
An Putin knows they are and recognizes Merkel as one of his principal opponents, hence all the vitriol directed at her by Russian-influenced far right groups.
Unfortunately including by certain supporters of the current US President which he then ignorantly parrots.

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It is factually incorrect to say any NATO nation spending less than 2 percent is breaching an actual commitment.
No, but it is factually correct to say that if they can't field a fighting force commensurate with their GDP and population that they aren't holding up their end. [/QUOTE]

Germany itself recognizes it needs to spend more on defense and is moving up to the 2% level.
But it can't just double its defense spending and even if it could that would hardly ease tensions with Russia.

And it is German voters that get to decide what is or is not commensurate with their GDP, not allies, particularly false friend friends like you and President Trump.
(By the way I'm not German.)

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And to put in context Germany is ramping up its spending to that figure and when it does so its defense spending will significantly outstrip Russia’s defense spending (whose GDP is about the same as Italy’s).
If only it were dollars that shot down aircraft or defended terrain. Unfortunately it's tanks, planes, and missiles. Does Germany have as many of those as Russia? Will Germany be buying as many missiles, planes, ships, and armored vehicles as Russia? Nuclear weapons? No? What was your point again? [/QUOTE]

My point is that current and projected Russian defense spending is unsustainable apart from via authoritarian rule and it is dubious that even that can sustain it that long.
Germany, like all Western countries including the US, have different factors at play.
Germany will have smaller, generally more professional, better paid and better equipped armed forces than the likes of Russia, and it will be able to sustain the associated level of spending and not have to primarily rely on diminishing standards of living to do so.

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As for TDS nonsense if you think what Trump is doing is normal and wise then you are the fool drinking the Fox/ ultra right wing cool-aid, parroting the most convoluted inconsistent positions.
Rather like “good” communists trying to keep their opinions consistent with the USSRs shifting positions.
I never said I think what Trump is doing is "normal". We didn't want business as usual. That's why we put him in power. That's why we'll do it again in 2020. This isn't rocket science.

Look, the bottom line is the EU has more people and, collectively, a greater GDP than the US. Explain to me again why a single US soldier or aircraft should be in Europe.
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There are many many salient reasons why US forces in Europe are mutually beneficial to the defense of both the US and Europe.
I will give you one very basic reason as an example.
One of the US's principal opponents (Putin's regime) doesn't want them to be there. Hence Russia's covert support for those also looking to remove them. Including but not limited to attempts to influence the US presidential election.
In this regard President Trump is at best a dupe, and you're a dupe a few times removed.

IF a Democratic President had similar attitudes (calling it a policy or policies is suggesting more coherence than is actually the case) you know you would be screaming your head-off, calling people traitors, calling for impeachment etc.
You know you and your fellow travelers on this site already did so for on an infinitesimal less valid basis for President Obama.

I would suggest you try to consider for a moment your reaction if similar attitudes/ policies were coming from some one you didn't consider "your guy", particularly before you go parroting and promoting them.
 

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Look, the bottom line is the EU has more people and, collectively, a greater GDP than the US. Explain to me again why a single US soldier or aircraft should be in Europe.
Because it is still way cheaper than bailing them out of yet another World War...
If they don't think their countries are worth defending why should we? They seem to want all the benefits of large economies with none of the responsibilities. And then they complain about the US being the "World Police".
 

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kaiserd said:
I would suggest you try to consider for a moment your reaction if similar attitudes/ policies were coming from some one you didn't consider "your guy", particularly before you go parroting and promoting them.
Well, I was against Mr. "More Flexibility After The Election" because he was gutting US forces, and the industrial base, and setting the US up for eventual unilateral nuclear disarmament (through attrition with no replacement). I don't recall if he ever said anything about pulling US forces from Europe.

Edit: there's probably a better place for this conversation as it's OT.
 

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sferrin said:
kaiserd said:
I would suggest you try to consider for a moment your reaction if similar attitudes/ policies were coming from some one you didn't consider "your guy", particularly before you go parroting and promoting them.
sferrin said:
Well, I was against Mr. "More Flexibility After The Election" because he was gutting US forces, and the industrial base,
That's not really answering my point.
Are you really comfortable with policies and attitude to your NATO allies that Russia would be delighted with while at the same time you yourself advocate considerable extra spending on US nuclear weapons to counter Russia's modernization of their nuclear weapons and are very focal on the threat from Russia?
That isn't consistent.

As for President Obama, for a more balanced nuanced view I can recommend the following articles:
https://www.npr.org/2016/04/29/476048024/fact-check-has-president-obama-depleted-the-military?t=1531595627695
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/14/politifact-sheet-our-guide-to-military-spending-/

For example Republican President George Bush (the 1st) oversaw far far greater reductions in US nuclear weapon numbers than Obama ever did.

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....and setting the US up for eventual unilateral nuclear disarmament (through attrition with no replacement).
This is blatantly untrue and you know its untrue because you have been repeatedly challenged on such statements on this website.
The Obama presidency instigated and/ or strongly supported all the ongoing major recapitalization of US nuclear forces, including but not limited to the B-21, new SSBN subs, ICBMs etc. Obama instigated and supported the replacements.

You are parroting untrue conspiracy theories and willfully confusing Obama's actual position with that of a minority of the Democratic Party.

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I don't recall if he ever said anything about pulling US forces from Europe.
You don't remember his "NATO is obsolete" comments, comments that were debated long and hard, including on this site?
Again you are being less than truthful, or perhaps you weren't yet on message about what you were meant to believe.

I do not mean to personally attack you; I am challenging the misconceived ideas you are parroting because "your side" tells you to.

Edit: there's probably a better place for this conversation as it's OT.
Agreed and my apologies, I related my points above to the topic but agree the wider conversation has strayed and I don't intend to continue any further down this line.
 

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https://thediplomat.com/2018/07/russia-begins-sea-trials-of-nuclear-capable-poseidon-underwater-prone/

Russia has reportedly commenced sea trials of its ultimate doomsday weapon, a nuclear-capable underwater vehicle (UUV), dubbed ‘Poseidon,’ purportedly designed to deliver a 2-megaton nuclear warhead to destroy naval bases, carrier strike groups, and entire coastal cities by triggering a radioactive Tsunami wave.

The sea trials of the “Poseidon” began last week and are primarily focused on the UUVs guidance system and underwater operations in autonomous mode. Work on the “Poseidon” is reportedly progressing according to schedule, the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) said in a July 19 statement.

The “Poseidon,” also known under Ocean Multipurpose System Status-6 or “Kanyon” by the U.S. intelligence community, “is a new intercontinental, nuclear armed, nuclear-powered, undersea autonomous torpedo,” according to the 2018 U.S. Nuclear Posture Review. The UUV is thought to have been developed in reaction to the increasing sophistication of U.S. ballistic missile defense systems.
 

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/russians-arrest-nato-spy-suspects-probe-hypersonic-missile-secrets/?utm_source=RC+Defense+Morning+Recon&utm_campaign=c21fb713b5-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_07_26_01_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_694f73a8dc-c21fb713b5-81812733

Russian FSB security and intelligence service agents have arrested two people in the defense industry charged with passing secrets on Moscow's hypersonic missiles to western intelligence.

U.S. intelligence agencies are closely monitoring the mole hunt first disclosed July 20 in news reports in Russia.

One suspect in the case is Viktor Kudryavtsev, a 74-year-old researcher at a Russian rocket and spacecraft design plant who was arrested July 19 by FSB agents.

A second person was reported arrested for treason as part of the investigation, Russian state-run news outlets reported Monday.
 

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http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/A_look_into_the_future_of_Russias_strategic_defenses_999.html

Furthermore, in footage released last week, the Defense Ministry confirmed that the Kinzhal, a new air-launched nuclear-capable hypersonic, maneuverable cruise missile with a top speed of Mach 10 and a range of 2,000 km, had been tested aboard the Tu-22M3. Given the Tu-22M's 5,100 km range, the Kinzhal can be effectively be said to have gained intercontinental strike capability. The missile is already deployed, and has seen extensive flight training aboard the MiG-31BM supersonic interceptor aircraft.
 

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Considering tu22m3 combat radius is usually quoted at 2200 or 2400 km, it's highly Likely tu22m3 even with a single kinzhal can't do 3000 km of combat radius. Unless it gets its ifr probe retrofotted.
 

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-says-small-russian-satellite-space-weapon/

Russia has deployed a suspicious satellite the United States says is part of Moscow's plans to attack orbiting satellites in a future conflict, a State Department official revealed in Geneva on Tuesday.

Yleem Poblete, assistant secretary of state for arms control, verification, and compliance, made the accusation in a speech declaring Moscow is promoting a draft treaty aimed at banning arms in space while advancing an array of space weaponry.

Russia in October conducted tests of a "space apparatus inspector" that was detected by U.S. intelligence maneuvering and taking other unusual actions in space.

"Its behavior on-orbit was inconsistent with anything seen before from on-orbit inspection or space situational awareness capabilities, including other Russian inspection satellite activities," Poblete stated during a session of the U.N. Conference on Disarmament.
 

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totoro said:
Considering tu22m3 combat radius is usually quoted at 2200 or 2400 km, it's highly Likely tu22m3 even with a single kinzhal can't do 3000 km of combat radius. Unless it gets its ifr probe retrofotted.
What payload ?.

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I tried doing my own estimate using data from missilethreat. and Fleeman's tactical missile design book

Found that Kinzhal itself is about 1000 Km range. with apogee of 254 km and terminal velocity of 2.8 km/s.

The assumption is as follows :

Launch Weight : 4300 Kg
Warhead : 480 Kg
Structure: 22% * 4300 Kg = 946 Kg.
Guidance, Battery and Actuators = diasumsikan 300 Kg.
Propelant load = 72% dari rocket motor weight, 2574*72%=1853 Kg.
ISP : 265 S

Launch condition :
Altitude : 15000 m
Starting Velocity : M 0.85
Motor burn : 15 detik.

During trajectory, it's assumed that the missile will have 2 minutes coast to apogee.
 

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Not Just Money Constraints Facing the Russian Armed Forces

https://www.cna.org/CNA_files/PDF/DOP-2018-U-018170-Final.pdf
 

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Russia is preparing to search for a nuclear-powered missile that was lost at sea months ago after a failed test


Moscow is preparing to recover a nuclear-powered missile lost at sea, according to sources with direct knowledge of a U.S. intelligence report.
Russian President Vladimir Putin bragged earlier this year that the new missile had unlimited range.
The missile was tested four times between November and February, each resulting in a crash, according to sources who spoke to CNBC on the condition of anonymity.



A nuclear-powered Russian missile remains lost at sea after a failed test late last year, and Moscow is preparing to try to recover it, according to people with direct knowledge of a U.S. intelligence report.

Crews will attempt to recover a missile that was test launched in November and landed in the Barents Sea, which is located north of Norway and Russia. The operation will include three vessels, one of which is equipped to handle radioactive material from the weapon's nuclear core. There is no timeline for the mission, according to the people with knowledge of the report.

The U.S. intelligence report did not mention any potential health or environmental risks posed by possible damage to the missile's nuclear reactor.

Russian President Vladimir Putin unveiled the new nuclear-powered missile in March, boasting it had unlimited range. Yet, the weapon has yet to be successfully tested over multiple attempts.



Russia tested four of the missiles between November and February, each resulting in a crash, people who spoke on the condition of anonymity previously told CNBC. The U.S. assessed that the longest test flight lasted just more than two minutes, with the missile flying 22 miles before losing control and crashing. The shortest test lasted four seconds and flew for five miles. Russia has denied the missile test failures.

If the Russians are able to regain possession of the missile, U.S. intelligence analysts expect Moscow will use the procedure as a blueprint for future recovery operations. It is unclear whether the other missiles are missing at sea, too.

While the report didn't address the potential effects of possible damage to the weapon's reactor, there remain concerns that radioactive material could leak.

"It goes without saying that if you fire a missile with a nuclear engine or energy source, that nuclear material will end up wherever that missile ends up," said Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists.

Read more: Russia's new hypersonic missile, which can be launched from warplanes, will likely be ready for combat by 2020

"If this missile was lost at sea and recovered in full, then you might hypothetically be able to do it without pollution, I would have my doubts about that because it's a very forceful impact when the missile crashes. I would suspect you would have leaks from it," Kristensen added.

The weapon, which has been in development since the early 2000s, is believed to use a gasoline-powered engine for takeoff before switching to a nuclear-powered one for flight, sources have said.



The tests apparently showed that the nuclear-powered heart of the cruise missile failed to initiate and, therefore, the weapon didn't achieve the indefinite flight Putin had boasted about.

The tests were ordered by senior Kremlin officials despite objections from the program's engineers, who voiced concerns that the system was still in its infancy, sources have said.

During a state of the nation address in March, Putin claimed the cruise missile was capable of delivering a warhead to any point in the world while evading missile defense systems. In the same two-hour speech, Putin touted an arsenal of new hypersonic weapons, which he called "invincible."

Of the six weapons Putin debuted in March, CNBC has learned that two of them will be ready for war by 2020, according to sources with direct knowledge of U.S. intelligence reports.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/russias-nuclear-powered-missile-that-putin-claimed-had-infinite-range-is-currently-lost-at-sea.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain
 

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Heh. It's probably already in a US or Chinese lab.
 

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https://fas.org/blogs/security/2018/09/kozelsk-icbm-upgrade/

New satellite photos show substantial upgrades of ICBM silos at the missile field near Kozelsk in western Russia.

The images show that progress is well underway on at least half of the silos (possibly more) of the second regiment of the 28th Guards Missile Division from the Soviet-era SS-19 ICBM to the new SS-27 Mod (RS-24, Yars). The first regiment of ten silos completed its upgrade in late-2015. Like the SS-19, the SS-27 Mod 2 carries MIRV.

In its earlier configuration of six regiments with a total of 60 silos, the Kozelsk missile field covered an area of roughly 2,300 square-kilometers (890 square-miles). With closure of three regiments, the active field has been reduced to about 400 square-miles. That includes one 10-missile regiment (74th Regiment) that has already been upgraded to SS-27 Mod 2, a second that is being upgraded (168th Regiment), and a third (219th Regiment) that might still operate SS-19s, although the status is uncertain. It is possible that Russia will upgrade a total of 30 silos at Kozelsk. The Kozelsk missile field is located about 240 kilometers (150 miles) southwest of Moscow about 180 kilometers (115 miles) from Belarus
 

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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/11/russia-conducts-huge-exercise-with-its-nuclear-forces/

MOSCOW — The Russian military says it has conducted a massive test of the nation’s strategic nuclear forces involving multiple missile launches.

The Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday's maneuvers featured launches of ballistic missiles by the navy's nuclear submarines from the Barents Sea and the Sea of Okhotsk.

As part of the drills, long-range bombers also fired cruise missiles, the ministry said, adding that all missiles hit their designated practice targets.
 

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/25/russian-missile-identified-as-anti-satellite-weapon-ready-by-2022.html

WASHINGTON — A never-before-seen missile photographed last month on a Russian MiG-31 interceptor is believed to be a mock-up of an anti-satellite weapon that will be ready for warfare by 2022, three sources with direct knowledge of a U.S. intelligence report say.

The Russian anti-satellite weapon, which is attached to a space launch vehicle, is expected to target communication and imagery satellites in low Earth orbit, according to one source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. For reference, the International Space Station and the Hubble Space Telescope travel in low Earth orbit.

Images of the mysterious missile on a modified Russian MiG-31, a supersonic near-space interceptor, appeared in mid-September.
 

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-fears-russia-employing-combat-laser-system/

The United States is warning that recent Russian movements in space signal the country is building a military space force that could employ a "combat laser system" capable of knocking American satellites offline, according to senior administration official.

In remarks before the United Nations Tuesday, Yleem Poblete, the assistant secretary for arms control, verification, and compliance warned that Russia is making unprecedented moves towards militarizing space with offensive weaponry.

"The United States is concerned with what appears as very abnormal behavior by this so-called ‘space apparatus inspector,'" Poblete said. "We do not know for certain what it is and there is no way to verify its mission. Moreover, Russian intentions with respect to this satellite are unclear."

This amounts to a "troubling development—particularly, when considered in concert with statements by Russia's Space Troops Commander which highlighted that ‘assimilat[ing] new prototypes of weapons [into] Space Forces' military units' is a ‘main task facing the Aerospace Forces Space Troops,'" according to Poblete.
 

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sferrin said:
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bobbymike said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/putin-new-russian-weapons-decades-ahead-of-foreign-rivals/2018/06/28/7c67d4b0-7ad2-11e8-ac4e-421ef7165923_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.208d0774236b

MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin boasted about his country’s prospective nuclear weapons Thursday, saying they are years and even decades ahead of foreign designs.

Speaking before the graduates of Russian military academies, Putin said the new weapons represent a quantum leap in the nation’s military capability.

“A number of our weapons systems are years, and, perhaps, decades ahead of foreign analogues,” Putin told young military officers who gathered in an ornate Kremlin hall. “Modern weapons contribute to a multifold increase in the Russian military potential.”

The tough statement comes as Putin is preparing for a summit with U.S. President Donald Trump set for July 16 in Helsinki, Finland. Russia-U.S. relations have plunged to post-Cold War lows over the Ukrainian crisis, the war in Syria, the allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and differences over nuclear arms control issues.
For the time being, yes, Russia has better ICBMs than the USA. But its useless weapon as it cannot be used...
If ICBMs couldn't be used, and were useless, nobody would have them. Obviously that's not the case.
There is a difference between "couldn't" and "won't". Obviously that is the case.

In 3/4 of a century, only 2 atomic weapons used out of 10s of thousands produced. If Russia wants to use them, then fine go ahead, but it will be the end of the Russian nation and it's people along with billions of other people worldwide.

They are a useful weapon in the threat they pose, though they will never be used given the relatively calm state of the world..... No food shortages, no energy shortages, no looming ice age that swallow the northern hemisphere.

As stated, the USA continues to force Russia to spend money it doesn't have on weapons that will not be used.
 

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There is a difference between "couldn't" and "won't". Obviously that is the case.

In 3/4 of a century, only 2 atomic weapons used out of 10s of thousands produced. If Russia wants to use them, then fine go ahead, but it will be the end of the Russian nation and it's people along with billions of other people worldwide.

They are a useful weapon in the threat they pose, though they will never be used given the relatively calm state of the world..... No food shortages, no energy shortages, no looming ice age that swallow the northern hemisphere.

As stated, the USA continues to force Russia to spend money it doesn't have on weapons that will not be used.
I'll bet you think the only measure of an item's usefulness is if it actually gets used. There's this slightly important concept called D-E-T-E-R-R-E-N-C-E. Or do you actually believe every nuclear weapon on the planet is "useless"? ::)
 

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Looks like an Topol-E failure on December 10th.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2018/12/looks_like_a_topol-e_failure_i.shtml

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XIpEVIUOo
 

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https://special-ops.org/47515/russias-dead-hand-nuclear-doomsday-weapon-is-back/?fbclid=IwAR2JQAImBHmYThNSLuuIeAekhinpBXOQtTlqWW1TP6GndXWjS2YfP_nBaYg

Russia has a knack for developing weapons that—at least on paper—are terrifying: nuclear-powered cruise missiles, robot subs with 100-megaton warheads .

Perhaps the most terrifying was a Cold War doomsday system that would automatically launch missiles—without the need for a human to push the button—during a nuclear attack.

But the system, known as “Perimeter” or “Dead Hand,” may be back and deadlier than ever.
 

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Regarding dead hand tho, i wonder what Russia use to replace the special Radio-electronic "lead missile" That will launch and radioing the launch authority. AFAIK the missile is currently out of service.
 

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https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/12/russia-claims-be-track-deploy-maneuverable-hypersonic-icbm-next-year/153654/?oref=d-river

Russia’s new Avangard intercontinental ballistic missile will be ready for deployment as soon as 2019, Russian state media outlet TASS reports. Strategic Missile Force Commander Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev said the highly maneuverable ICBM, which was first tested in 2004, will be ready for combat duty next year.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed his enthusiasm for the missile, which he officially unveiled in March. He claims it can reach Mach 20, which is similar to the U.S.’s Mach-23 Minuteman III. But more significantly, Russian reports say, the Avangard pairs an ICBM engine with a unique glide vehicle, allowing it to out-maneuver anti-missile systems. In June, Putin called the Avangard “an absolute weapon” and contended that no country would develop anything similar “in the coming years.”

The U.S. is also pursuing advanced hypersonic weapons and countermeasures to them. But their research is behind that of both China and Russia, according to a recent report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. The report warns that Russian and Chinese hypersonic weapons will “defeat most missile defense systems, and they may be used to improve long-range conventional and nuclear strike capabilities” — endorsing, in a way, Putin’s claim that such weapons are effectively invincible.
 

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Russia's Invincible Weapons: Today, Tomorrow, Sometime, Never?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55faab67e4b0914105347194/t/5b0eb1b203ce644a398267ef/1527689654381/Russia%27s+Invincible+Weapons.pdf
 

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bobbymike said:
Russia's Invincible Weapons: Today, Tomorrow, Sometime, Never?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55faab67e4b0914105347194/t/5b0eb1b203ce644a398267ef/1527689654381/Russia%27s+Invincible+Weapons.pdf
"Putin also revealed that in December 2017 a cycle of testing an innovative nuclear power installation had finally
been concluded after many years. It has uniquely small dimensions with a volume 'a hundred times less than the
power unit of a modern nuclear submarine', but develops very high levels of power which can be very rapidly
reached." Seems scary enough on its own regardless of the missiles feasibly.
 

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Russia's MoD has released extended video of Avangard/ICBM launch at Dombarovsky earlier today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgzeS7-jgSY&feature=youtu.be
 

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This article sums up Avangard quite well & the thinking behind it.

Russia Tests Yet Another Hypersonic Weapon

Russia tested a new hypersonic weapons program on Wednesday, December 26th, designed to sneak under U.S. ballistic missile defenses. Avangard is a winged glider weapon boosted high into the atmosphere by a ballistic missile, which then descends on its target at speeds in excess of 15,000 miles an hour. Avangard will reportedly enter Russian service in 2019.
 

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Russian Navy to Put Over 30 Poseidon Strategic Underwater Drones on Combat Duty

"MOSCOW --- The Russian Navy plans to place more than 30 Poseidon strategic nuclear-capable underwater drones on combat duty, a source in the domestic defense industry told TASS on Saturday.

"Two Poseidon-carrying submarines are expected to enter service with the Northern Fleet and the other two will join the Pacific Fleet. Each of the submarines will carry a maximum of eight drones and, therefore, the total number of Poseidons on combat duty may reach 32 vehicles," the source said.

The special-purpose nuclear-powered submarine Khabarovsk currently being built at the Sevmash Shipyard will become one of the organic carriers of the Poseidon nuclear-capable underwater drone. Also, special-purpose submarines and Project 949A nuclear-powered underwater cruisers operational in the Russian Navy may be used as the carriers "after their appropriate upgrade," the source noted."


http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199067/russia-to-deploy-over-30-poseidon-strategic-underwater-drones.html
 

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Talking about Poseidon. What do you guys think about what kind of nuclear propulsion system powering this thing... e.g what kind of reactor and cycles used ?

Working from the Hisutton's article on Kanyon, Tom Stefanick's book, Norman Polmar's book and "Theory of Submarine Design" by Rubin design bureau.

With baseline dimension of 24m in length and about 2 meter in height. The claimed speed of some 70-100 Knot seems to be way too high for what volume available for its possible propulsion plant. Assuming "neutral buoyancy" where Weight=Volume. The Kanyon will weigh/displace at least 74.5 Metric tonne. However some margin is tolerable as this is a torpedo and can gain some lift by keep moving. This again Sutton's margin of 100 metric tonne looks feasible.

The 70 Knot speed, for the size requires about 8.5 MegaWatt of shaft power (about 11500 SHP). The PWR plant required to achieve that power weighs about 200 metric ton, Liquid metal reactor (LMCR)can be much lighter but might be still too heavy 61 metric ton. There is however another option namely the HTGR (High Temperature Gas Reactor). This can be much lighter, assuming Helium or maybe CO2 as working fluid, this reactor can be made with 15 metric ton of weight.

Clearly only LMCR and HTGR that could possibly meet the probable small constraint of Kanyon and attempt to attain high speed. Another thing of concern is that conventional steam turbine system might also be too heavy, with steam turbine assembly for the installed power can weigh as heavy as 94 metric ton. But i am curious if Russian actually tries other cycle like Brayton Cycle instead of Rankine. Thus making it a nuclear gas turbine. The turbine assembly for this could be lighter. LMCR however might be too inefficient as it needs to heat a secondary working fluid/gas to drive the turbine. Assuming the gas turbine can be made lighter maybe about slightly half the steam turbine and HTGR being sought. The turbine and associated turbo alternator (as kanyon needs power too) can weigh 55 metric ton.

The total propulsion group weight for the 70 knot speed, adding the shielding (reduced as it carries no man), backup battery and the propulsion gear (shaft, gearings) Yield following :

PWR= 361.3 metric ton
LMCR= 144.1 metric ton
HTGR= 99.4 metric ton

Those seems still bit way too heavy, not including other systems such as warhead, structural elements and guidance.

Thus i suspect that the speed could be much lower than what Russian claim. Maybe in the order of 40-50 Knot. At 49 Knot speed however only requires 3 MW of power, the propulsion plant weight drops accordingly to following

PWR= 128.8 metric ton
LMCR= 51.4 metric ton
HTGR= 35.4 metric ton

A more reasonable value and still within the "neutral buoyancy" envelope. PWR however seems totally impractical for Kanyon. The one i have not considered yet is BWR (Boiling Water Reactor) as the reactor was never really tested nor envisaged for submarine operation.
 

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Something will fly from Plesetsk to Kura between Feb 6th and 8th. Sarmat flight tests? Re-check of life extended ICBMs? New payload?
 

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Official Russian MOD write up on Avangard and describes some of the features of the system.

Its in Russian so have to use some translator

Who will catch up with "Vanguard"

https://rg.ru/2019/01/31/pochemu-giperzvukovoj-avangard-neuiazvim-dlia-liuboj-pro.html
 

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Speech by Army General Valery Gerasimov at a conference on the development of military strategy


Vectors of military strategy development


http://redstar.ru/vektory-razvitiya-voennoj-strategii/

Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Army General Valery Gerasimov, spoke at the general meeting of the Academy of Military Sciences.


It was held in the format of a military-scientific conference dedicated to the development of military strategy in modern conditions. The meeting was opened by the President of the Academy of Military Sciences, Army General Makhmut Gareyev. The conference participants - members of the Academy of Military Sciences, senior officials of the Russian Defense Ministry, representatives of the Presidential Administration, the State Duma and the Federation Council, as well as leading scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences, universities and research organizations of the military department - discussed the nature of future wars, armed conflicts and actual problems in the field of defense.

A report on the main directions of the development of military strategy and the tasks of military science was made by the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - First Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, Army General Valery Gerasimov. His report, we bring to the attention of readers.


In modern conditions was the development of the principle of waging war on the basis of the coordinated use of military and non-military measures, with the decisive role of the Armed Forces

Transformation military threats


- Traditionally, the annual conference of the Academy of Military Sciences, is a platform for exchange of views of military experts on the most pressing and topical issues of military science. The results of the conference essentially determine the future directions of its development, as a result of which they are always widely discussed both in Russia and abroad.

This year we are considering the development of military strategy in modern conditions.

Military strategy as a science "... the art of driving troops" originated at the beginning of the last century and developed based on the study of the experience of wars. In general, the strategy is "... a system of knowledge and action for the prevention, preparation and conduct of war."

At present, wars are expanding and their contents are significantly changing. The number of subjects involved in the armed struggle is increasing. Along with the armed forces of sovereign states, various gangs, private military companies and self-proclaimed "quasi-states" are fighting.

The means of economic, political, diplomatic, informational pressure, as well as the demonstration of military power in the interests of enhancing the effectiveness of non-military measures are being actively used. Military force is used when it is not possible to achieve the goals set by non-military methods.

Meanwhile, Russia's geopolitical rivals do not hide the fact that they are going to achieve political goals not only during local conflicts. They are preparing to wage wars against a “high-tech adversary” using high-precision weapons from the air, sea and from space, with active information warfare.

Under these conditions, our Armed Forces must be ready to conduct wars and armed conflicts of a new type using classical and asymmetric methods of action. Therefore, the search for rational strategies for waging war with various adversaries is of paramount importance for the development of the theory and practice of military strategy.

We need to clarify the essence and content of military strategy, the principles of preventing war, preparing for war and its conduct. It is necessary to further develop the forms and methods of using the Armed Forces, primarily in strategic deterrence, as well as improve the organization of state defense.

The evolution of the main strategic concepts


In the course of its development, the military strategy went through several stages of evolution - from the "strategy of crushing" and the "strategy of dying" to the strategies of "global war", "nuclear deterrence" and "indirect actions".

The United States and its allies have defined the aggressive vector of their foreign policy. They are developing offensive military actions, such as “global strike”, “multi-sphere battle”, using the technology of “color revolutions” and “soft power”.

Their goal is the elimination of the statehood of unwanted countries, the undermining of sovereignty, the change of lawfully elected bodies of state power. So it was in Iraq, in Libya and in Ukraine. Currently, similar actions are observed in Venezuela.

The Pentagon has begun to develop a fundamentally new strategy of warfare, which has already been dubbed the "Trojan Horse".

Its essence lies in the active use of the “protest potential of the fifth column” in the interests of destabilizing the situation while simultaneously attacking the WTO on the most important objects.

I would like to note that the Russian Federation is ready to oppose any of these strategies. In recent years, military scientists, together with the General Staff, have developed conceptual approaches to neutralize the aggressive actions of potential adversaries.

The basis of "our response" is the "active defense strategy", which, given the defensive nature of the Russian Military Doctrine, provides for a set of measures to proactively neutralize threats to the security of the state.

It is the justification of the measures being developed that should constitute the scientific activities of military scientists. This is one of the priority areas of state security. We must be ahead of the enemy in the development of military strategy, go "one step ahead".

In Syria, for the first time, a new form of the use of formations of the Armed Forces was developed and tested in practice - a humanitarian operation.

Unity of theory and practice

The development of strategy as a science should cover two areas. This is the development of a system of knowledge about war and the improvement of practical activities for the prevention of war, preparation for it and its conduct.

The area of ​​military strategy research is the armed struggle, its strategic level. With the emergence of new areas of confrontation in modern conflicts, the methods of struggle are increasingly shifting towards the integrated use of political, economic, informational and other non-military measures implemented with reliance on military force.

Still, the main content of military strategy is made up of the issues of preparation for war and its conduct, primarily by the Armed Forces. Yes, we take into account all other non-military measures that affect the course and outcome of the war, provide and create the conditions for the effective use of military force. At the same time, it should be understood that the confrontation in other areas represents separate areas of activity with its “strategies”, ways of action and corresponding resources. In the interest of achieving a common goal, we must coordinate them, rather than direct them.

The strategy should be engaged in predicting the nature of future wars, developing new “strategies” for their conduct, preparing the state and the Armed Forces as a whole for war. In this regard, it is necessary to update the list of research tasks, complementing them with new areas of scientific activity.

Of course, the work in these areas of military strategy should be headed by the Military Academy of the General Staff, together with the Academy of Military Sciences.

For more effective study of issues, it is necessary to involve all scientific organizations of the Ministry of Defense, the scientific potential of interested federal executive bodies. As practice shows, problematic issues should be discussed at scientific conferences, considered during round tables.
Only in this case will they bring new results in the field of the theory and practice of military strategy.

Principles of prevention, preparation and conduct of war


With the changing nature of war and the conditions of its preparation and conduct, some principles of strategy cease to apply, others are filled with new content.

The principle of preventing war is to anticipate the development of the politico-military and strategic situation in the interests of the timely identification of military dangers and threats and the timely response to them.

The principles of advance preparation of the state for war are ensured by constant high combat and mobilization readiness of the armed forces, as well as the creation and maintenance of strategic reserves and reserves.

In modern conditions, the principle of warfare has evolved based on the coordinated use of military and non-military measures with the decisive role of the Armed Forces.

The principle of achieving surprise, decisiveness and continuity of strategic actions is still relevant.

Acting quickly, we must preempt the enemy with our preventive measures, promptly identify its vulnerabilities and create threats of unacceptable damage to it. This ensures that the strategic initiative is captured and held.

Work on clarifying the existing and justifying new principles should continue with the consolidation of the efforts of the entire scientific community. It is necessary to formulate principles of a general universal character and principles of action with reference to a concretely evolving situation.

Such are the main directions of development of the theoretical positions of military strategy. However, as the great Russian commander Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov said: “The theory without practice is dead ...”, which is why it is impossible to imagine the practical activity of a military strategy without its scientific substantiation.

Forecast Scenario System


The fundamental basis for the practical activity of the strategy is the creation of a system for the study of forecast scenarios for the unleashing and management of military conflicts. It is a reasonable forecast of scenarios of possible conflicts that serves as the initial data for the development of forms and methods of using the Armed Forces. At present, a rational system of forms for using the Armed Forces, in which strategic deterrence is an important part, has been theoretically worked out and practically confirmed.

Today, Washington continues the policy of expanding the system of military presence directly at the borders of Russia, the destruction of the system of contractual relations on arms limitation and reduction, which leads to a violation of strategic stability. So, in 2002, the United States unilaterally withdrew from the Treaty on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense Systems.

Their next step after a demonstrative suspension of participation in the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles may be the refusal to extend the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty-3.

Recently, the Pentagon has repeatedly declared its intention to use outer space for military purposes. For this, a new branch of the military is being formed - space troops, which creates prerequisites for the militarization of outer space.

Ultimately, all these actions can lead to a sharp exacerbation of the military-political situation, the emergence of military threats, to which we will have to respond with mirror and asymmetric measures.

Military science needs to develop and justify a system of complex destruction of the enemy.

Strategic deterrence measures


As a result, the urgent task of developing a military strategy is to justify and improve nuclear and non-nuclear deterrence measures. Any potential aggressor must understand that any form of pressure on Russia and its allies is hopeless.

Our answer is not long in coming. For this purpose, modern models of weapons, including fundamentally new types of weapons, are being commissioned and deployed.

Began mass production of new types of weapons and equipment of the Armed Forces. Avangard, Sarmat, the newest weapon Peresvet and Dagger have shown their high efficiency, they successfully pass tests of the Poseidon and Burevestnik complexes. There is a planned work on the creation of a sea-based hypersonic zircon rocket.

There is no doubt that we are confidently leading in this area compared to the technologically advanced countries of the world.

Thus, it was decided to conduct scientific and design work on the development of ground-based complexes of hypersonic medium and shorter-range missiles.

The creation of new types of weapons will not drag Russia into a new arms race. A sufficient number of new complexes to contain will be created within the framework of the planned military budget.

The policy pursued by our western partners forces us to “respond to the threat of creating a threat”, plan in the future for strikes against decision-making centers, as well as launchers that allow for the operational use of cruise missiles at facilities in Russia.

Military scientists should step up research on the search for and introduction of new methods of using advanced weapons, as well as substantiating the forms of counteraction to possible military actions of a potential enemy in space and from space.

"Strategy for limited action" outside of Russia

Syrian experience has an important role in the development of the strategy. Its generalization and implementation allowed us to single out a new practical area - the fulfillment of tasks for the protection and promotion of national interests outside the territory of Russia within the framework of the “strategy of limited actions”.

The basis for the implementation of this strategy is the creation of a self-sufficient group of troops (forces) based on the formations of one of the branches of the Armed Forces, which has high mobility and is able to make the greatest contribution to the solution of the tasks. In Syria, this role is assigned to the formations of the Aerospace Forces.

The most important conditions for the implementation of this strategy is the conquest and retention of information superiority, which is ahead of the readiness of management systems and all-round support, as well as the covert deployment of the necessary grouping.

We got a rationale for new methods of action of troops during the operation. The role of the military strategy was to plan and coordinate joint military and non-military actions of the Russian group of troops (forces) and formations of the armed forces of the interested states, militarized structures of the countries participating in the conflict.

Received post-conflict settlement. In Syria, for the first time, a new form of the use of formations of the Armed Forces was developed and tested in practice - a humanitarian operation. In Aleppo and East Guta, in a short time, it was necessary to plan and carry out measures to remove the civilian population from the conflict zone simultaneously with the execution of combat tasks to defeat the terrorists.

The results achieved in Syria made it possible to identify relevant areas of research on the use of the Armed Forces in the course of fulfilling the tasks of protecting and advancing national interests outside the national territory.

Forms of use of groups of troops (forces) in the framework of the "strategy of limited action"


One of the directions of strategy development is associated with the creation and development of a unified system of integrated forces and means of reconnaissance, destruction and command of troops and weapons on the basis of modern information and telecommunication technologies.

It is designed to detect, issue target designation and deliver selective strikes on critical objects in a time scale close to real, strategic and operational-tactical non-nuclear weapons. In the future, military science must develop and justify a system of complex destruction of the enemy.

The next direction is connected with the large-scale use of military robotic complexes, primarily unmanned aerial vehicles, to increase the efficiency of solving a wide range of tasks.

Another direction was the creation of a system to counter the use of unmanned aerial vehicles and precision weapons. Here the decisive role was played by the forces and means of electronic warfare, which provided the opportunity for selective influence, based on the type of object, its structure, time criticality.

The task of military science in this area consists primarily in the scientific elaboration of the issues of creating a strategic system for countering unmanned aerial vehicles in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and substantiating promising strategic electronic warfare systems and integrating them into a single system.

I would stress that digital technologies, robotization, unmanned systems, EW - all this should be on the agenda of the development of military science, including military strategy.

Interaction of the components of the state’s military organization


One of the characteristic features of modern military conflicts is the destabilization of the internal security of the state by the conduct of sabotage and terrorist activities by the enemy.

That is why the elaboration and improvement of the territorial defense system, its structure, ways of building, substantiating the complex of measures for its constant readiness is an important direction in the development of military strategy and the task of military science.

At present, we have a lot to do to implement measures of a military and non-military nature carried out by ministries and departments in the interests of state defense. At the same time, it is necessary to continue the elaboration of issues of coordination of actions of the federal executive bodies, the distribution of their powers, and the management of territorial defense tasks during an escalation of the military threat and in the event of crisis situations.

Particularly relevant is the rationale for creating an integrated system to protect critical infrastructure of the state from exposure in all areas during the immediate threat of aggression, when the enemy will seek to destabilize the situation, create an atmosphere of chaos and uncontrollability.

This question is new in the theory and practice of military strategy and is subject to comprehensive scientific study. The result of the work should be theoretical positions, and in practice the developed system of joint use of multi-departmental forces and means to ensure integrated security.

Confrontation in the Information Sphere

Until recently, military science investigated the use of the Armed Forces in the traditional areas of warfare - on land, in the air and at sea.
An analysis of the nature of modern wars has shown a significant increase in the importance of such an area of ​​confrontation as the information one. A new reality of future wars will consist in the transfer of military actions in this particular sphere. At the same time, information technologies are becoming, in fact, one of the most promising types of weapons.

The information sphere, without having clearly defined national borders, provides opportunities for remote, covert influence not only on critical information infrastructures, but also on the population of the country, directly affecting the state’s national security.

That is why the study of issues of preparation and conduct of informational actions is the most important task of military science.

Digital technologies, robotization, unmanned systems, electronic warfare - all this should be on the agenda of military science development, including military strategy

Increasing the combat power of the Armed Forces of the Russian


Federation It is determined by the size and composition of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, their staffing and technical equipment, moral and psychological condition, level of training, combat readiness and combat capability of troops and forces.

At present, a program is being planned for the recruitment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to contract servicemen. By the end of 2025, their number will reach 475,000 troops. At the same time the need for conscription of citizens for military service will be reduced.

Today the officer corps of the Armed Forces is staffed with trained professional personnel. All military commanders of military districts, combined arms, air force and air defense units, as well as 96 percent of the commanders of combined-arms units and formations, have combat experience.

All types and types of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are developing in a balanced manner, being timely equipped with modern types of weapons. The nuclear triad, which plays a key role in preserving strategic parity, has noticeably strengthened. The share of modern weapons of our nuclear component has reached 82 percent.

The level of operational and combat training of troops and military command bodies has noticeably increased. Their capabilities change dramatically.

Sudden readiness checks confirmed the ability of troops and forces to promptly redeploy formations and units over long distances, to reinforce groups in strategic areas.

Traditionally, an important direction is the improvement of the system of ideological, moral and psychological stability of the population, and first of all, the military. It was for this purpose that the system of military-political work was recreated in the Armed Forces.

The interaction of the Ministry of Defense with the defense industry


An important direction in the development of military strategy and the task of military science is the search for new approaches to the development of links between military strategy and the economy. In the interests of preparing the country's economy for solving defense tasks, the strategy is designed to answer the following questions. For what possible war and in what directions to prepare the economy? How to ensure its vitality, stability? How is it more expedient to place the objects of the economy taking into account their protection?

The thesis of the classic of the national military strategy of the brigade commander Alexander Svechin “The economy will be able to subjugate the nature of military actions”, expressed by him almost 100 years ago, became an objective reality.

I will note that at present, much has been done by the joint efforts of the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex. First of all, an effective interaction system was built.

Based on the analysis of the experience of military operations, research organizations participate in the formation of requirements for armaments and control their implementation at all stages of development, from the draft to the state tests.

Thus, military science on the basis of the forecast vision of future wars determines what should be the promising models of weapons and military equipment. At the same time, military scientists are proactively conducting research to justify the forms and methods for their use.

The complexity of modern weapons is such that it is unlikely to be able to adjust its production in a short time with the start of hostilities. Therefore, everything necessary must be issued in the required quantity and enter the troops in peacetime. We must by all means ensure technical, technological, and organizational superiority over any potential adversary.

This requirement should be the key when setting targets and before the defense industry to develop new types of weapons. This will allow enterprises to conduct long-term planning, and scientific organizations will receive guidelines for the development of basic and applied research in military science.

The main tasks of military science and their solutions


The main thing today for military science is that it is ahead of time in practice, continuous, purposeful research to determine the possible nature of military conflicts, to develop a system of forms and methods of actions, both military and non-military, to determine the development directions of weapons systems and military equipment.

It is extremely important to promptly introduce the results of fundamental and applied research into the practice of the troops.

The solution of these tasks is entrusted primarily to the military-scientific complex of the Armed Forces. In recent years, the military-scientific complex has achieved some success. Thus, as part of the research work assigned by the General Staff, an initial data system was prepared for military planning for the next medium term period (for 2021-2025). It is the basis for the refinement and development of documents of the National Defense Plan for the new period.

Our military science has always been distinguished by the ability to see and reveal problems at the stage of their appearance, the ability to quickly work them out and find solutions.


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March 5, 2019, 00:02Winged "Petrel": what is known about the mysterious Russian weapons

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Autonomy, Machine Learning and Nukes. Russian perspective







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