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Anther projects from Payen I didn't hear about it;
Payen Pa-41,Pa-47,Pa-51,Pa-60, Pa-65 and Pa-600.
 

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All I have is the Pa.47 , the Pa.51 and, no, not the Pa.60, but the Pa.61,
which was a direct derivative of the 60. But I'm afraid , they all are quite
unspectacular and so not very uninteresting for this forum.
The Pa. 60 is shown in Pierre Gaillards "Les Avions Francais" unfortunately
with a very murky photo.
And the Payen Pa.59 Aldebaran wasn't that strange, for a time when
tail sitter designs were "en vogue", I think (after the war !
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The other Payen designs are very interesting for me, too ! ;D
 

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Hi,Jemiba!
Do you know the " Aviation Française Magazine " or " A F M " ?
it's full of pictures of French aircraft , built and rare projects
(in the last number Payen projects : jet ,twin prop, one prop-normal cockpit ...)
more on the " afm avia editions " site
 

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Hi,

dear Flitzer,sorry I have no scanner now,but I will try to
send a drawings.
Payen Pa.48 Mars:
it was a single seat tailless intercopter,powered by one
Hispano-Suiza Nene turbojet engine,unusual landing gear
and it had top speed 1300 km/h.

I discovered that Payen Pa-600 was a transport aircraft project.
 

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Jemiba is very,very close about the Payen-Fouga Pa 562...
 

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Ok, about the Pa.562 :
With another drawing I've got from lark, I think, there's no doubt about the type.
Dimensions can quite easily be deduced by the cockpit section.As more or less the
complete forward fuselage of the Magister would have been used, the front
landing gear would be that of the Magister and to my opinion, the most logical
and plausible solution for the main gear is that of the Magister, too.
Position is taken from larks picture, which shows the main spars, were the retracted
legs would be housed.
Elementary, my dear Watson ! ;D
 

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I admittedly know next to nothing about Payen. Without his name on the airplane, I would have thought Lippisch. I will let you experts assign the correct model number for this fun little delta jet.
 

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PA-49.
The prototype is on display at Le Bourget museum.
-Luc
 

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Indeed, and as it already has its wheel spats on this photo, it's in its last guise, as the landing gear
was the main detail, that was changed several times:
 

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Wow, Jens! Don't think I'd seen the whole series of drawings before... Awesome!

Payen often gave nice and original names to his designs... The PA-49 was called "Katy" (though I believe at the time of its first flight on January 22, 1954 it was only known as the "Delta Jet").
 

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Yes, would be nice to know, what's really in those names. Perhaps not really so for the Pa.380 "Anaconda", but maybe
for the Pa.46/17 "Paloma" ? Or of course the "Katy" ? Who were it ? His then recent girl friends ? ;)

BTW, the Pa.49 got its first modification on the originally retractable landing gear, because with the low angle of attack
the single center wheel allowed, it couldn't leave the ground !
 

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Yes, the first version was designated Pa.49A (or design K 79) while the second was called the Pa.49B (or K 82).

Unbuilt variants were the single-seat Pa.49/2 (or Pa.492) and the twin-seat Pa.49/5 (or Pa.495).
 

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Good morning Jens,

do you have some technical data for your both projects?

Thanks... ;)
 

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Amazing drawings my dear Jens.
 

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Maveric said:
do you have some technical data for your both projects?
Unfortunately not, just the design number K69 for the "Paloma", a light passenger aircraft designed in 1946,
and K47 for the "Anaconda", a transatlantic mail plane, that was even designed already in 1939. I just mentioned
it here because of it's name, principally it should have gone to the early projects section.
 

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Jemiba said:
Unfortunately not, just the design number K69 for the "Paloma", a light passenger aircraft designed in 1946,
and K47 for the "Anaconda", a transatlantic mail plane, that was even designed already in 1939. I just mentioned
it here because of it's name, principally it should have gone to the early projects section.
Interesting "K" numbers! I have the Anaconda as the Pa.380 and the Paloma as the Pa.46/17.
 

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Me too, the K-numbers were given in the Trait d'Union issue about Payen.
 

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Probably a derivative of the Pa.49, too, the Pa.149:
 

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