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http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-%200956.html
 

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http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-%200956.html
the Hoffman momoplane, illustrated in the link above, looks very like the 'Arup' series of aircraft, see here:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxz1UF67EQI

also see here for a 'flying flounder', to go with the 'flying plaice', and some custer channel wing stuff, and, some Horton wingless plane footage,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8y5suPs1uE

there's also a very good article in one of my 'Aeroplane Monthly's, about the arups, will find it out, as and when.

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The plane posted by Hesham is one of the numerous projects by Piana-Canova, who developed the rhomboidal wing. It flew only in sailplane form, but it flew very well. Projects span from light sportplanes to huge boatplanes and bombers. During the mid-30s Piana-Canova had some exchanges with Alessandro Marchetti that went as far as a brief proposal for a rhomboidal-wing version of the S-84.
 

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Please see http://www.internetmodeler.com/2008/june/aviation/canova.php
 

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Welcome back, Justo... :)
 

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Thanks Skybolt!

I have posted a small drawing of the Alfa 1101.
I would be grateful for any additional information on this engine, which is of great interest to me.
 

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was reminded about this by the 'flying flapjacks' thread,

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6203.msg51102.html#msg51102

here, as promised, are the arups, from 'Aeroplane Monthly' july 1979, pp.340-45, article entitled,
'Those Amazing Arups'

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Has anyone ever found drawings of the Arup aircraft? I've looked, but I don't recall finding good drawings of either the S-2 or S-4.
 

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Sundog said:
Has anyone ever found drawings of the Arup aircraft? I've looked, but I don't recall finding good drawings of either the S-2 or S-4.
I find this one in an old EAA publication,

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in an earlier post here:-

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5110.msg40631.html#msg40631

i wrote,

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-%200956.html

the Hoffman monoplane, illustrated in the link above, looks very like the 'Arup' series of aircraft,
now, re-reading the 'Aeroplane Monthly' article, i find the attached paragraph. Further, the image 'Arup006.jpg' is attributed to one 'R.J.Hoffman'.
So, i think it's highly likely that the Hoffman who designed the Hoffman monoplane, is the same Hoffman who helped to design the Arups.

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robunos said:
So, i think it's highly likely that the Hoffman who designed the Hoffman monoplane, is the same Hoffman who helped to design the Arups.
Indeed, Raoul Hoffman designed the Arup S1 and S2 before moving to Florida where he designed his "All Wing"
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Ralph Grainchen was the designer of the Arup S3 and S4.
 

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Indeed, Raoul Hoffman designed the Arup S1 and S2 before moving to Florida where he designed his "All Wing"
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Ralph Grainchen was the designer of the Arup S3 and S4.
Excellent! that fills in some more of the story.

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Along or after his PC-100 (experimental glider), PC-140 (touring aircraft) and PC-500 (competition glider), it seems that Piani-Canova has designed an experimental aircraft that can be used as a trainer aircraft, the PC-85; and, after WWII, a jet aircraft, both equipped with rombhoïdal wing.
Is there documention available on those two last projects?

Thanks in advance.
 

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The Canova monoplane , PC-140 I'm guessing, would make an easy to build full scale ultalight.
The drawings posted on this forum shows ailerons and center trailing edge elevator. I found
pictures of this model online that showed Junkers type aileron and elevators below the trailing edge
in their own airstream. Please comment if you know the specifics of the Canova monoplane's control surface arrangement.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1242669

shows the control surfaces as mentioned.
 

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A former U.S. Air Force test pilot, Chuck Tucker had recently tested a low aspect flying wing
model he designed named Vortex. It was a scaled down prototype of 12 ft. span and 10 ft. chord
rectangle. The tricycle landing gear had mains, wingtip mounted, and nose, beneath firewall ,
squared off wingtips and a large center mounted vertical stabilizer, rudder. Chuck's Vortex
project may have been adopted and ompleted by model club members of Morgan Hill, California
after He passed away more than a year ago. There were a few photos of Vortex posted at

http://twitt.org , month unknown.
 

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fluxflyer said:
A former U.S. Air Force test pilot, Chuck Tucker had recently tested a low aspect flying wing
model he designed named Vortex. It was a scaled down prototype of 12 ft. span and 10 ft. chord
rectangle. The tricycle landing gear had mains, wingtip mounted, and nose, beneath firewall ,
squared off wingtips and a large center mounted vertical stabilizer, rudder. Chuck's Vortex
project may have been adopted and ompleted by model club members of Morgan Hill, California
after He passed away more than a year ago. There were a few photos of Vortex posted at

http://twitt.org , month unknown.
See pages 6, 12, 15 and 16 of the pdf document in the link:
http://www.sccmas.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2007_November.pdf
 

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pesholito said:
fluxflyer said:
A former U.S. Air Force test pilot, Chuck Tucker had recently tested a low aspect flying wing
model he designed named Vortex. It was a scaled down prototype of 12 ft. span and 10 ft. chord
rectangle. The tricycle landing gear had mains, wingtip mounted, and nose, beneath firewall ,
squared off wingtips and a large center mounted vertical stabilizer, rudder. Chuck's Vortex
project may have been adopted and ompleted by model club members of Morgan Hill, California
after He passed away more than a year ago. There were a few photos of Vortex posted at

http://twitt.org , month unknown.
See pages 6, 12, 15 and 16 of the pdf document in the link:
http://www.sccmas.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2007_November.pdf

More pictures of the same airplane:


http://www.sccmas.org/photogallery/thumbnails.php?album=48&page=1
http://www.sccmas.org/photogallery/thumbnails.php?album=48&page=2
http://www.sccmas.org/photogallery/thumbnails.php?album=48&page=3
 

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That's a Models,great find Pesholito.
 

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Flying toast, to go with our flying flapjacks...(just need eggs and bacon, now... ;D B) )

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Hi,


here is the Piana-Canova PC.140 aircraft.


http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/PDF_Libri_By_AVIA/Aeronautica%20-%20Brinati%20T.%20Fischetti%20U.%20Stefanutti%20S..pdf
 

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zeroc said:
Other Piana-Canova projects.

Oh my God,amazing and marvelous drawings,thank you Zeroc very much,


but can I ask you that,if the picture,the prefix "C" means a Model or not ?,and if that
symbol related to PC series ?.
 

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hesham said:
but can I ask you that,if the picture,the prefix "C" means a Model or not ?,and if that
symbol related to PC series ?.
It seemed to be this series for a Projects or Drawing numbers (Suffix "C").

We must don't forget the PC.1600 heavy fighter Project,which I hope to get a drawing
to it.
 

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Hi,

the Piana Canova PC-85 was a two-seat trainer with a rhomboid wing airplane,I don't know if
it was actually built or not ?.
 

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Hi,

I think we must change this title into Piana Canova Airplanes and Projects.

He started with a PC-I of 1908,it was a single seat monoplane powered by one engine,
the PC-II was a three-seat monoplane of 1910/11,the PC-III was a seaplane biplane with
swivel fuselage of 1914.

He also designed a three-seat pusher monoplane in 1912.

A jet aircraft with a rhomboid wing was projected,but no more details are known ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201933%2001.pdf
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canova_PC-140
 

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Hi,

Mr. Piana Canova emigrated to Brazil in 1919 and returned in 1931,if some had
a book about Latin American aviation,we can know his activities about aviation
there ?.
 

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Hi,

here is a Piana Canova PC-II & PC-III.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201933%20011.pdf
 

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Hi,

here is a Canova PC.656 Project,with some of his gliders.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201935%2005.pdf
 

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Hi,

when I check from my files,I found that Mr. Piana Canova designed a three engined heavy
bomber Project of flying wing shape,does anyone hear about it ?,sorry I don't remember
the source.
 

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Dear friends,
Here I post the 3-views of the Piana Canova PC 1600, single engined attack aircraft, and the PC 2000, a double engine combat aircraft.
Source: Gente dell'Aria, Vol. 3, Giorgio Evangelisti, Olimpia Editore.
Best regards.
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Amazing find my dear Lucamax.
 

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Many thanks Lucamax!

Is the book "Gente dell'Aria, Vol. 3" presenting more information about Canova works?
 

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Retrofit said:
Many thanks Lucamax!

Is the book "Gente dell'Aria, Vol. 3" presenting more information about Canova works?
Yes, I bought the book today and I did not read yet, but from a first look I found a lot of informations about Canova's works.
I'll share them in this post during the next days!
 

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Hi,

and Canova PC.2000 was intended for civil and military roles.
 

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Hi,

there was an aircraft appeared in 1950,mentioned in Aerofiles sites;

http://www.aerofiles.com/_ca.html
 

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From Ali Nuove 4/1955,

the Piano Canova PC.140 aircraft.
 

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From Ali Nuove 12/1959,

here is a more Info about PC.100 and PC.500.
 

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