Next Chinese aircraft carrier

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Several images have surfaced (of which this is one) from Shanghai CSSC shipyard. Images show what appears to be a large module of a possible aircraft carrier.

Said shipyard was rumored to have started building China's next carrier, first Catobar one, since a few years ago.
 

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If they intend to hit the oft-cited 2020 launch date it would definitely have large modules coming together soon. Scale-wise it looks in the same ballpark as the famous demo module from 2013.
 

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Deino is the resident China expert, I hope he makes an appearance in this thread.

I have no idea if thats a carrier module but it has inspired me to go and look at the shipyard expansion thats going on at this yard and....wow:

The google earth imagery is out of date and doesn't show the gantry cranes being used for this module (the ground is still being worked in the GE imagery) but what we can see is incredible, at the south-eastern tip of the new site (the whole area has been drained, landscaped and enclosed with fencing) are two enormous buildings (the largest is 400m x 170m and based on the shadow it casts is seriously tall) that could be module halls for submarines or surface combatants (or other ship types), and the whole site is criss-crossed with dead straight six lane highways with no central reservations which would be ideal for moving large ship modules on Self Propelled Modular Transporters.

On top of that, there is an image taken from an aircraft on another forum that suggests further developments: it shows the land that sits between the site where this module is being built and the river as having been flooded, some of this appears to have been paddy fields in the past and has been captured flooded previously but this time the flooding is much greater, based on the alignment of the gantry cranes and some of the earthworks underway in the earlier GE imagery I wonder whether this land is being turned into a giant basin/dry building dock similar to the arrangement at Dalian where 002 and some destroyers have been built.

If that wasn't enough a look at the older part of the yard (itself not actually that old) suggests one of the big dry building docks is being extended to about 600m in length and the warship factory (with its own ship lift for launching) still appears to pumping out new vessels.

It looks like they are adding an area in excess of 400 acres to an existing very large shipyard that only went operational a decade ago. For reference the entire HII Pascagoula facility is 800 acres. The investment here is astonishing, they're really not messing around.
 

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JFC Fuller said:
Deino is the resident China expert, I hope he makes an appearance in this thread.

I have no idea if thats a carrier module but it has inspired me to go and look at the shipyard expansion thats going on at this yard and....wow:

The google earth imagery is out of date and doesn't show the gantry cranes being used for this module (the ground is still being worked in the GE imagery) but what we can see is incredible, at the south-eastern tip of the new site (the whole area has been drained, landscaped and enclosed with fencing) are two enormous buildings (the largest is 400m x 170m and based on the shadow it casts is seriously tall) that could be module halls for submarines or surface combatants (or other ship types), and the whole site is criss-crossed with dead straight six lane highways with no central reservations which would be ideal for moving large ship modules on Self Propelled Modular Transporters.

On top of that, there is an image taken from an aircraft on another forum that suggests further developments: it shows the land that sits between the site where this module is being built and the river as having been flooded, some of this appears to have been paddy fields in the past and has been captured flooded previously but this time the flooding is much greater, based on the alignment of the gantry cranes and some of the earthworks underway in the earlier GE imagery I wonder whether this land is being turned into a giant basin/dry building dock similar to the arrangement at Dalian where 002 and some destroyers have been built.

If that wasn't enough a look at the older part of the yard (itself not actually that old) suggests one of the big dry building docks is being extended to about 600m in length and the warship factory (with its own ship lift for launching) still appears to pumping out new vessels.

It looks like they are adding an area in excess of 400 acres to an existing very large shipyard that only went operational a decade ago. For reference the entire HII Pascagoula facility is 800 acres. The investment here is astonishing, they're really not messing around.
The South West shipyard in Shanghai has 3 cranes the size of the one at Newport News. The one across the river has four. The shipyard at Dalian has four more. (Though one appears to have a pair of Type 055s sitting in the dry dock at the moment.

Basically, China has FOUR dry docks in which they could build carriers.

As for submarine halls. . .

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a26201/china-building-the-worlds-largest-submarine-factory/
 

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With abundant capital, material and manpower this expansion is only to be expected. They can afford to do it.
China produced 80.2 million tonnes of crude steel last month, only 6.94 million tonnes of that was exported. That's just one kind of economic indicator of what they can spend resources on.
The main barriers to warship production are probably going to be powerplant, equipment and armament production rather than material for hulls and slip space. Certainly the latter seems to be being taken of.
 

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With volume and diversification of commerical grade shipbuilding in China in last few decades, and evident buildup of navy with various kinds of warships, I would say there are no industrial or technological barriers for numerical expansion of Chinese navy in any field.

It basically boils down to what sort of money will PLAN receive. If the requiremebts are there, and therefore if the budget is there, there is nothing stopping China from building 2 carriers at once every 5 or so years for the foreseeable future. Of course, such expansion would be so expensive that it is likely the naval budget simply won't be there. But making one carrier, and training enough crew for it, every several years is another matter...
 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/12/china-mocks-us-proposal-sell-american-aircraft-carriers-beijing/

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
 

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Grey Havoc said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/12/china-mocks-us-proposal-sell-american-aircraft-carriers-beijing/

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Sounds like the tariffs are starting to sting. If I were Trump I'd just tweet, "why do you need to buy them when you can just copy them?" ;D
 

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fredymac said:
Ski ramp and no catapults?

Nope the Photo is of 01 and 02 the third carrier is being built at a different yard to a new design
 

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sferrin said:
Sounds like the tariffs are starting to sting. If I were Trump I'd just tweet, "why do you need to buy them when you can just copy them?" ;D
That's wishful thinking. Trade deficit rose record high as a result of the trade war. I think both are losing but it stings alot more for us than it is for them. And their government doesn't have the thing called public perception as much of an issue for a government with so much power. Regardless I think if anything it unites the more splinter and peaceful factions within the communist party who think peaceful trading is the way toward chinese prosperity to accept the hawks that military might is that much more of a leverage. Aircraft carriers are floating domestic propaganda machines so I would even speculate they gonna ramp up hard on this front. My 2 cents
 

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donnage99 said:
Aircraft carriers are floating domestic propaganda machines so I would even speculate they gonna ramp up hard on this front. My 2 cents
I would be surprised if they stopped at half dozen. I could see them retiring the first two early for an all-nuclear carrier force though.
 

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More likely to retask the first two for antisub ops as part of a group.
 

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Or training carriers like the Lexington and the Forrestal.
 
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