Multi-seat fighters: "cruiser fighters" and "battleplanes"

[Jemiba]

... with some help from me.

Well, that's understatement, as Arjen actually took a much more active part here and
results would have been considerable different without his collaboration, actually
working on the graphics, too.
An interesting, but widely forgotten type, somehow strange looking, even for contemporary
standards.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a wooden Model to Grigorvich DG-56.

 

[Avimimus]

Nice find Hesham!

Btw. Jemiba & Arjen - I'm trying to figure out how to get a better set of dimensions from the Lloyd L.K.1 - do you guys have any tips? I've been thinking of dredging up the old Austrio-Hungarian thread to talk about some of the challenges (there may be a couple of issues with the existing reconstruction).

 

[Jemiba]

Do you mean this one http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21084.msg207896.html#msg207896 ?
Didn't check the drawing still yet, so I wasn't aware of faults in it.
Perhaps better to discuss it via PM or mail and just post the results here ?
Maybe not interesting to everybody and a bit out of the scope here ?
Some dimensions can be found here http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/knights-of-the-air-made-in,
although I couldn't find a source mentioned. Firts way could be, to check those against the 3-view.
The prototype wasn't fitted with any weapons, so the only dimensions, that cold be used as a
reference may be the outer engines.

 

[hesham]

Re: Multi-seat fighters and cruiser fighters

- Kochergin IT (technically WW2)
? Kochergin DIS (technically WW2)

What was those Projects ?.

 

[Apophenia]

Re: Multi-seat fighters and cruiser fighters

What was those Projects ?.

Two SA Kocherigin twin-engined fighter designs - Kocherigin IT (Istrebitel' Tyazhelyi - Heavy Fighter) and Kocherigin DIS (Dalnij Istrebitel' Soprovozhdenya - Long-range Escort Fighter). Other sources give that first designation as IT-2 (Istrebitel Tankov - Tank Fighter)

See borovik's post: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12185.0.html

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Apophenia,

I don't remember them.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Grokhovsky G-38 images.

http://yuripasholok.livejournal.com/728841.html

http://xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/sssr/istrebiteli-2/1920-e-1930-e-gody/proekt-legkij-krejser-g-38-lk-2/

http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tm/1938/8-9/sam-gryad.html
"Two beam "plane", which was shown at the Paris exhibition. The tail is close to the wing. This plane is a transitional phase to the tailing flights of flying wings."

http://xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/sssr/istrebiteli-2/1920-e-1930-e-gody/proekt-legkij-krejser-g-38-lk-2/

 

[Stenda G]

Hi all! First post on the Forum)

Some words about Grokhovsky G-38.

It seems to me, that well known plans, images and 3d model that were posted by Redstar72 and blackkite are fake based on pic from the TM (Техника Молодежи) magazine 08 sep 1938.http://zhurnalko.net/=nauka-i-tehnika/tehnika-molodezhi/1938-08-09

But in fact this pic described as

Двух балочный» самолет, который демонстрировался на Парижской выставке. Хвостовое оперение приближено к крылу. Этот самолет — переходная ступень к бесхвостым «летающим крыльям»

or in Eng:

Two tail plane demonstrated on Paris air show [in 1936]. Aircraft tail moved closely to wing. This plane is intermediate stage to tailless "flying wings".

So this pic is just an "author`s vision" of Fokker`s G-1 performed by A. Preobrazhensky or S. Lodygin for article.

What a Fate`s joke: real Ivensen-Grokhovsky project replaced by fake, based on picture for (again) Grokhovsky`s article.

But in article about P.A. Ivensen i found another image of G-38
http://sm.evg-rumjantsev.ru/des2/ivensen.html

And later - side view of G-38 in book Aircraft industry of USSR 1917-1945 part I (Самолетостроение в СССР 1917-1941 том 1) ch.5 p.245.

 

[hesham]

Welcome aboard Stenda,

and than you for the info,here is a more drawing to G-38;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17629.0.html

 

[Stenda G]

Welcome aboard Stenda,

and than you for the info,here is a more drawing to G-38;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17629.0.html

Mea culpa, hesham!
It seems i saw that page being logout whithout pics. Thnx a lot! G-38 was like Grail for me - to find more info.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Letord Let.1 three side view drawing,etc.
https://drawingdatabase.com/letord-let-1/
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/letord.html　

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Техника - молодёжи 1934-09, страница 19

zhurnalko.net

 

[riggerrob]

Did anyone mention the World War 1, Llyod Luftkruiser? It was built in Austro-Hungary during WW1 and - thankfully - never entered service. It inherited a god-awful front turret and cockpit arrangement from its single-engine predecessor.

 

[redstar72]

Hi,

Техника - молодёжи 1934-09, страница 19

zhurnalko.net

It is actually No. 5/2010, not 9/1934 anyway. And DB-LK was a long-range bomber, not a multiseat fighter.