Martin RENE

Barrington Bond

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
May 4, 2007
Messages
937
Reaction score
176
Dead end technology or still viable?
 

Attachments

  • scan0017 (2).jpg
    scan0017 (2).jpg
    38.5 KB · Views: 191
  • scan0019 (2).jpg
    scan0019 (2).jpg
    32.2 KB · Views: 165
  • scan0018 (2).jpg
    scan0018 (2).jpg
    89.4 KB · Views: 141

Michel Van

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 13, 2007
Messages
5,360
Reaction score
2,437
is this a crossbreed of Rocket engine and Ramjet ?
 

Orionblamblam

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
8,777
Reaction score
3,142
Website
www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com
Yes. It's a form of ejector ramjet... a ramjet that can work at Mach 0 because of the ejector effect of the rockets. About 10 years ago i built one - granted, a small, crappy one - under contract to NASA.
 

Skybolt

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2006
Messages
2,295
Reaction score
209
A photo was on the home page of your site, or I remember wrong ?
 

Orionblamblam

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
8,777
Reaction score
3,142
Website
www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com
Skybolt said:
A photo was on the home page of your site, or I remember wrong ?

You remember correctly. Our ejector ramjet was a cheap piece of junk compared to an "X-Plane," but it was done on a pittance of a budget. Pity the whole project fell apart right before first flight...
 

Archibald

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2006
Messages
6,864
Reaction score
5,714
Didn't the GNOM soviet ICBM used this system ? (well at least the small subscale demonstrator which flew,think it was the PR-90)
 

Trident

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
May 8, 2006
Messages
1,268
Reaction score
763
Yup. Technically the SA-6 and Meteor missiles use a similar principle AFAIK, usually called ducted rocket.
 

RanulfC

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 6, 2009
Messages
988
Reaction score
485
I have to research by files but I believe I have some relevent reports on the research. I also found these:
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/nexgen/OEPSS_Reports_a/OEPSS%252010-Air%2520Aug%2520Rocket.pdf

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADB121965&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/1997/TM-107422.pdf

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=201302&id=9&as=false&or=false&qs=No%3D60%26Ne%3D2%26Ns%3DPublicationYear%257c0%26N%3D123

Randy
 

RanulfC

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 6, 2009
Messages
988
Reaction score
485
Orionblamblam said:
RanulfC said:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=201302&id=9&as=false&or=false&qs=No%3D60%26Ne%3D2%26Ns%3DPublicationYear%257c0%26N%3D123

A Ranger lunar probe press release?
Uhm... Ya... Err... I'm surprised,.. YES! Surprised that you didn't know that about the Ranger OBB! Indeed...

Eh, forget it... I couldn't actually pull up the link, (for some reason after 9am my-local-time NRTS goes "down" somehow and I can't pull up anything) when "I" checked it this morning it actually linked to a "Tiros" press briefing so the link is SERIOUSLY screwed up.
Sorry folks...

I did a search on NTRS this morning and got no results from "RENE" (ok, actually I got a LOT of reports authored by anyone with the letters R-E-N-E anywhere in their name but that's not the point :) ) one "historical" report for "RENE Ejector Rocket" nothing for "Air Augmented Rocket" and about three dozen pages of results for "Ejector Rocket Engine" which I'm still going through.

I was/am hoping to re-find an overview and final testing presentation/report on the RENE program itself that I have a copy of at home. Unfortunatly I don't have the cover page or report number and no actual idea where I got the damn thing from.
::::sigh:::: so much for me being helpful.

Randy
 

XP67_Moonbat

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
2,173
Reaction score
122
If you get Scott's Astrorocket report,here:
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspaceother.htm,

it has some good info on RENE.
 

RanulfC

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 6, 2009
Messages
988
Reaction score
485
XP67_Moonbat said:
If you get Scott's Astrorocket report,here:
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspaceother.htm,

it has some good info on RENE.
I actually think I have that one... Or at least I've purchase it. I've had some downloading issues with several articles recently so I'll have to check. Thanks.

Here by the way are a few more report links I've found:
"OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT PROPULSION SYSTEM STUDY(OEPSS) DATA BOOK"
"Volume X: Air Augmented Rocket Afterburning"
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19980041407_1998068283.pdf

"STATIC THRUST AUGMENTATION OF A ROCKET-EJECTOR SYSTEM WITH A HEATED SUPERSONIC PRIMARY JET"
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19620002195_1962002195.pdf

"AIR AUGMENTED CONVENTIONAL ROCKET ENGINES"
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19920012281_1992012281.pdf

"EJECTORS AND THRUST AUGMENTATION"
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19720062808_1972062808.pdf

Thanks again.

Randy
 

RanulfC

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 6, 2009
Messages
988
Reaction score
485
XP67_Moonbat said:
If you get Scott's Astrorocket report,here:
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspaceother.htm,

it has some good info on RENE.
Thanks for the heads up MB, I actually DO have that article! I'll get a good read on it.
(And I have to go back and rename all those damn files. I never got around to labeling them after I bought them so I pretty much have to go through and open each pdf to figure out what it is :) )

Randy
 

Stargazer2006

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2009
Messages
13,221
Reaction score
820
Let he who has always renamed each and every PDF file on his computer cast the first stone... ;D
 

FutureSpaceTourist

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Messages
589
Reaction score
16

RanulfC

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 6, 2009
Messages
988
Reaction score
485
FutureSpaceTourist said:
Orionblamblam said:
Our ejector ramjet was a cheap piece of junk compared to an "X-Plane," but it was done on a pittance of a budget. Pity the whole project fell apart right before first flight...

Forgive my ignorance (again!), but was there any connection with the ejector ramjet built by Space Access LLC? (video link in http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10241.msg95995.html#msg95995)
As an FYI the Space Access ERJ patent number is #6,786,040 B2 and the patent number of their vehicle is 6,193,187 B1 (Available from your favorite patent look-up-link :) ) Now a rather 'strange' thing I recall seeing while browsing patents one time was at LEAST two other launch concepts that used the same "aerospaceplane" configuration (and IIRC the same submitters but not granted to Space Access) with different launch styles.
One was "air-launched" from an "under-wing" position (WTF???) from a C-5, the other was "towed" to altitude by a C-5 and then had FIGHTERS attach themselves to the cable and EVERYBODY goes into a tight circle to "fling" the orbiter as a boost!
(Ok, somehow I don't think I want to ride on that one... Or have them flying over my head :) )

Randy
 

Similar threads

Top