Martin Baker Twin Boom in progress

[Flitzer]

Hi all
sorry to be a pain, but is this looking more or less how it should?
There's a long way to go yet but it might be nice to know I'm sort of heading in the right direction.

The cockpit canopy looks like a siamese bubble affair and I hope I can do a decent job on it.

Many thanks for your help.

Cheers
Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

You may start from here

 

[Flitzer]

Justo
you are a treasure trove of great information abnd references.

It's clear now that it is two separate cockpits rather than a much more complicated merged pairing.
Many many thanks
Peter

 

[Flitzer]

Hi
Top view in the raw.
Any comments very welcome.

Many thanks.
Peter
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[Flitzer]

Hi again
Help please.
Same view with a little more colour work.
How do the proportions look?

Question. Armament? Similar to MB5?

Many thanks
Peter
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[Justo Miranda]

My opinion ...

 

[Justo Miranda]

Armament
The project has been described as fighter in two books, although I believe that it could be an unarmed fast bomber of the Airspeed A.S. 47 class.
From "Airspeed Aircraft Since 1931 "by H.A. Taylor
Putnam 1970

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks for the input Justo.

As for the long wings. You may well be right.
When I did the top view I sort of wondered at the wide span, but I based it on the front view.
However your clipping makes it look better and more balanced. I think a bit of sawing might be in order.
Your views would be most helpful.

Many thanks
Peter
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[Wingknut]

Hi folks,
I don't really have anything to contribute to this thread, beyond saying what a great pleasure it is to watch Peter and Justo collaborating on such a fascinating project. Martin Baker were always one of my favourite British design teams and the twin-boom push-pull design whose profile is currently taking shape is new to me.
If ever the two of you feel like tackling (e.g) the tri-jet version of the Miles M.39, you'll make at least one member of this forum deliriously happy.
Many, many thanks,

'Wingknut'

 

[Flitzer]

Hi Wingnut,

I'm game. I just need the 3 view basics.

Sounds quite an interesting one to do.

Cheers
Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

From
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/01/stuff_eng_hrubisko_miles_02.htm

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/01/stuff_eng_hrubisko_miles_02.htm

 

[BSG-75]

Hi Wingnut,

I'm game. I just need the 3 view basics.

Sounds quite an interesting one to do.

Cheers
Peter

when you've finished that - have you ever looked at some of the pre-war designs, Gloster F5/34 or Bristol 146 in FAA or RAF middle east etc? I'd be even happier than Wingnut !

seriously - as before, I love watching these come to life, keep it up

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks BSG-75. ;D

In the meantime, here is the latest base drawing altered as suggested by Justo.

Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Justo Miranda]

Super!

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some prewar stuff
From "Interceptor" by James Goulding
Ian Allan 1986

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some prewar stuff
From unknown source

 

[Flitzer]

Hi again
Thanks Justo, I can crack on with the MB now.

Wingnut.
I'll definitely do the 3 jet M39, amongst others in a later set.

Thanks again.
More progress soon.

Peter
;D

 

[BSG-75]

Some prewar stuff
From unknown source

I've seen the 3 views in "interceptor" (very good read if I'm allowed to plug it) but never the Jockey with the fixed undercart thank you- the comment about use for FAA or RAF Middle east stoked my interest in them both,

 

[Wingknut]

Re: Martin Baker Twin Boom in progress (Tri-Jet M.39)

Hi folks,
Glad to see the M.39 model-images, and the Gloster designs too. There's a colour F.5/34 profile at: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/3-UK/01-Fighters/Gloster-F5-34/Gloster-F5-34.htm
Peter: maybe you've got already got enough on the M.39. Of course, there's lots about on the M.39b 2/3rds flying scale model. See (e.g.): http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/m39_libellula_3v.jpg
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/3-UK/04-Bombers/Miles-M39B-Libellula/Miles-M39B-Libellula.htm
However, the closest to a tri-jet bomber M.39 3-view I've got is the attached, culled from this very forum. See Barrington Bond's posts of February 24th, 2008 at: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3731.0/highlight,miles.html
It's a tri-jet Miles design to the M.39 Libellula tandem-wing pattern. Although this particular one was a mailplane, the text in Barrington's post does say "in almost all respects it was identical with the bomber version". See also the thread: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3585.0/highlight,libellula.html
Anyway, I look forward to the jet M.39 and the Martin Baker profiles very much.
Thanks again and all best,

‘Wingknut’

 

[Flitzer]

Many thanks Wingnut.
Just the job.

In the meantime, more progress on the MB Twin Boom top view.


Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Justo Miranda]

Good work!

 

[lark]

Love that

 

[Flitzer]

Hi all
This seems to have become a stage by stage project.
So please see attached latest progress report.
I've left it raw with my colour swatches etc.

If this had been built what in-service aircraft would it have replaced?
Mossie or Beaufighter for 2 examples?

Many thanks
Peter
;D

 

[Justo Miranda]

Beaufighter

 

[Justo Miranda]

Tech data

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some Beau camos

 

[BSG-75]

Beaufighter

You think ? maybe as a night fighter development (but why?) long range day fighter (escort?) or maybe for far east, Tiger Force etc ? (Oh no, Flitzer will need to change it to SEAC colours !? )

can't see it replacing the Beau myself? In what roles? Just curious......

 

[Justo Miranda]

Long range escort fighter and fast bomber
Kyushu invasion (Operation Olympic) 1-Nov-45
and Honshu invasion (Operation Coronet) 1-March -46

 

[Justo Miranda]

Korea nightfighter 1950

 

[Justo Miranda]

45 Sqn fighter-bomber ,Malaya 1955

 

[Justo Miranda]

And trainer Nº.3 CAACU , exeter mid 1960s.

 

[hole in the ground]

And trainer Nº.3 CAACU , exeter mid 1960s.

isnt stripey yellow and black underside target tug? it does appear to also have some towing equipment on its belly... or maybe that is to give a sense of 'realism' to the novice pilots

how about a pr pink one , ill see if i can dig up a pic for you?

 

[Flitzer]

Me and my big mouth. ;D

Okay, okay....this is looking like I'll need to do a few camo versions then (if that's all right with you BSG-75 ;D).

As a long range escort fighter, it would need armament (I don't think a high speed 'Shoo-shoo' would suffice in putting off attackers) .
So if anyone has any suggestions re: weaponry?

Many thanks for all the help and suggestions.
And especially Justo for delving into his extensive archives again.

Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Flitzer]

Hi again.

how about a pr pink one ,

Long range photo recon type thing?

If it's deemed a possible I'll do one.

Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[hole in the ground]

I think i might have made up the pink mossie... hmm cant find picture nor reference to one. It was deffinitely applied to a spitfire though (and not just in my imagination )

Im sure it would have been a generic PR scheme though.

 

[Flitzer]

Hi HITG
PR Pink is familiar to me.
Dawn and dusk skies type camo.

Cheers and many thanks.
Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

So if anyone has any suggestions re: weaponry?

six 20 mm Hispano cannons in outer wings

 

[Justo Miranda]

- French Indochina 1947 GC I/3
- Long range photo recce Sqn 684 Burma 1945
- Long range photo recce Sqn 60 Foggia 1944-45
- Night fighter 35 Sqn England 1943

 

[Johnbr]

The pink spitfire was a recon plane because it was found that a plane going from the ground to high altitude.The pilot would lose the color pink.The color Saved a friend of my dad's because of the color.He told my dad how fw 190 or me 109 would come beside him and not see him .He said the radio chatter from the ground and the pilot was fun to hear.

 

[Flitzer]

Great story John.
I read somewhere the pink colour was adopted as an aid to low level flying, landing and take off at times of day when the skies tended to take on a pink/mauve tint such as at dawn and early evening.
I wonder if the Luftwaffe colours brown-violet and grey-violet had a similar advantage in certain light conditions. Not pink but with a violet (purple) cast to the shade it may have had an effect similar to the RAF pink?

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers
Peter