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Luftwaffe: Secret Projects of the Third Reich by Dan Sharp

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Fw-259 is a development of the 159, right?
The Fw 159 had the Jumo 210 B and the Fw 259 had the DB 601 but otherwise they were largely the same. The Fw 159 came first but they were actually worked on in parallel for over a year.
 

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Just realised I was posting about this in the wrong thread. Luftwaffe: Secret Projects of the Third Reich is now back from the printers and copies are being sent out to everyone who pre-ordered one. gatoraptor asked whether the inside-the-covers content was identical in each edition. It is.
The only difference is the cover and the fact that each of the limited edition cover copies is individually signed by me and hand-numbered out of 400. Exactly 400 were printed with no spares and all have been sold except one - which can't be sold because I messed it up accidentally. :oops:

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The DFS 346. Anything never before published there?
Well, there's a drawing of the three-engined version. I think that's never been published before. Also, I don't think anyone's previously said that it was based on an Arado design and was originally designated 'HS-8'. I've covered the original design spec and the early development, whereas most of what I've read elsewhere concentrates on the Soviet postwar development.
 

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Wow!:cool: Some truly unknowns here (at least to me...). Can´t wait until my copy arrives.
As with the previous one, it's a mix of projects which I think are previously unknown (Arado E 216, Arado E 570, Daimler-Benz SV Flugzeug, Jas P 5, Hi 23, AVA Air-Train, DFS Lotos, Gotha Rammstachel etc.) and known projects about which I have hopefully been able to elaborate with new information and previously unseen drawings (Arado E 500, Arado E 380, Focke-Wulf Strahlrohrbomber, Heinkel P 1068, Junkers Schnellstbombers, Messerschmitt P 07, Lippisch P 12, Messerschmitt Me 328 C, DFS Eber, DFS 228, DFS 346 etc.)
 
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I should also say that in addition to Ronnie Olsthoorn's cover designs, forum members CiTrus90 and Zizi6785 have both contributed stunning artworks for this volume.
From CiTrus90, you'll find full colour 3-views and 3-quarter views of the B&V P 175, Jas P 5, Heinkel P 1068.01-84, DFS Eber (third version), Focke-Wulf Ta 152 with Napier Sabre II, Horten 'Projekt Horten', Junkers 100 ton flying wing, Me 109 S, Messerschmitt W-wing concept and Messerschmitt P 07-102.
Zizi6785 has produced his best profile artwork to date on the Arado E 570 jet fighter, DFS Eber (all three versions), DFS Jabo, Gotha Rammstachel (sting out and sting withdrawn), Junkers EF 109, EF 110, EF 111 and EF 112, and Lippisch P 12 I. Entwurf and II. Entwurf.
 
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At last! But, err - I'd be extremely happy to take the messed up special edition off your hands. Any chance of that, maybe with a special price to go with it?
 

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The DFS 346. Anything never before published there?
Well, there's a drawing of the three-engined version. I think that's never been published before. Also, I don't think anyone's previously said that it was based on an Arado design and was originally designated 'HS-8'. I've covered the original design spec and the early development, whereas most of what I've read elsewhere concentrates on the Soviet postwar development.

The three-engine version I have not heard of before. The English language version of Arado Flugzeugwerke is scheduled for January 2020. I understand that it clears up some 'myths' and talks about their work in designing supersonic aircraft. Perhaps the false narrative that the Germans were not doing development work in the area of supersonic flight will be laid to rest. The Americans did capture a Mach 4.4 wind tunnel. By the way, the only book, in German, about the DFS was criticized by experts as 'not the whole story.' Thank you for your reply.
 

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The 152 with the saber, is that like the spitfire that was re-engined with a db605? That is an evaluation aircraft for comparing engine/airframe.
 

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The DFS 346. Anything never before published there?
Well, there's a drawing of the three-engined version. I think that's never been published before. Also, I don't think anyone's previously said that it was based on an Arado design and was originally designated 'HS-8'. I've covered the original design spec and the early development, whereas most of what I've read elsewhere concentrates on the Soviet postwar development.

The three-engine version I have not heard of before. The English language version of Arado Flugzeugwerke is scheduled for January 2020. I understand that it clears up some 'myths' and talks about their work in designing supersonic aircraft. Perhaps the false narrative that the Germans were not doing development work in the area of supersonic flight will be laid to rest. The Americans did capture a Mach 4.4 wind tunnel. By the way, the only book, in German, about the DFS was criticized by experts as 'not the whole story.' Thank you for your reply.

You could wait until 2020, or you could just read about it in Luftwaffe: Secret Projects of the Third Reich.
 

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The 152 with the saber, is that like the spitfire that was re-engined with a db605? That is an evaluation aircraft for comparing engine/airframe.
You'll have to read the bookazine and find out! You won't find that information anywhere else.
 

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Today my copy arrived! And I knew it, most of the content is (was) truly unknown. For me, it is the best volume in the series (and I have them all). I learned so much new by just flipping through it (hopefully I got the time to read it at the weekend). I don´t want to say too much about the content, Dan provided the table of contnts, but there are some surprises: not only the sabre Ta 152, also the DFS 228 chapter is really good (incl. never seen fotographs; even in color), the Junkers design (and the great artwork!) and others. My favorite one is the chapter about Junkers Nurflügle (called the "German Wings"; I love these kind of wordplay...) and the fantastic four Junkers. The Messerschmitt patent´s chapter is amazing. Etc., etc. So highest recommendations! Fantastic job Dan!
 

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Today my copy arrived! And I knew it, most of the content is (was) truly unknown. For me, it is the best volume in the series (and I have them all). I learned so much new by just flipping through it (hopefully I got the time to read it at the weekend). I don´t want to say too much about the content, Dan provided the table of contnts, but there are some surprises: not only the sabre Ta 152, also the DFS 228 chapter is really good (incl. never seen fotographs; even in color), the Junkers design (and the great artwork!) and others. My favorite one is the chapter about Junkers Nurflügle (called the "German Wings"; I love these kind of wordplay...) and the fantastic four Junkers. The Messerschmitt patent´s chapter is amazing. Etc., etc. So highest recommendations! Fantastic job Dan!
One of the things that always intrigued me about the DFS 228 was the fact that you only ever see the V1 in photos - which had a seated cockpit arrangement. But the only known original side view drawing was of the V2 - which had a prone pilot cockpit arrangement. I always wondered what the seated arrangement, notorious for giving the pilot extremely poor visibility for landing, was like in the V1. I was very fortunate therefore, just before the publication was about to go to press, to discover an original early design drawing for the V1 - which appears on p40. I had to get the pages redesigned to fit it on, so it's very small, but here's a larger version against a drawing of the more familiar V2 cockpit. The V1 cabin was far less complex - and somewhat shorter.

DFS 228 V1 (early design):

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DFS 228 V2:

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The digital edition of Luftwaffe Secret Projects of the Third Reich is now available from Pocketmags: https://pocketmags.com/us/aviation-classics-magazine/luftwaffe-secret-projects-of-the-third-reich

It is listed on the Pocketmags site under Aviation Classics: https://pocketmags.com/aviation-classics-magazine/issues

Pocketmags is having one of their 99¢ back issue sales, so a number of the previous Luftwaffe Secret series back issues are available for 99¢ through sometime Monday.

The Pocketmags 99¢ Sale page: https://pocketmags.com/bankholiday
 

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Totally amazing book, one of the best yet. Got my copy today in WH Smiths.
It has a wider historical spread than hitherto, from prewar biplanes to postwar airliners - designed for the British. How much did GTR Hill know, I wonder? He was on the Tailless Aircraft Advisory Committee (after he got back from Canada) and helped to organise the trips to Germany. But setting up the Hortens in Germany to compete directly with his own Pterodactyl VIII and Short-Hill transport projects, that is something else. Or were they sucking the Hortens dry without letting on that it was not for real? Revisiting the TAAC minutes with a fresh eye has just bumped up my agenda (In the National Archive, if you get there before me).
And so much about DFS and other oddball projects that I completely forgive limiting B&V to only a couple of them.
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I have just bought the electronic edition. One niggle: page 69 is upside down - easily fixed.
Agree with steelpillow - totally amazing :cool::cool::cool:
 

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Today my copy arrived! And I knew it, most of the content is (was) truly unknown. For me, it is the best volume in the series (and I have them all). I learned so much new by just flipping through it (hopefully I got the time to read it at the weekend). I don´t want to say too much about the content, Dan provided the table of contnts, but there are some surprises: not only the sabre Ta 152, also the DFS 228 chapter is really good (incl. never seen fotographs; even in color), the Junkers design (and the great artwork!) and others. My favorite one is the chapter about Junkers Nurflügle (called the "German Wings"; I love these kind of wordplay...) and the fantastic four Junkers. The Messerschmitt patent´s chapter is amazing. Etc., etc. So highest recommendations! Fantastic job Dan!
One of the things that always intrigued me about the DFS 228 was the fact that you only ever see the V1 in photos - which had a seated cockpit arrangement. But the only known original side view drawing was of the V2 - which had a prone pilot cockpit arrangement. I always wondered what the seated arrangement, notorious for giving the pilot extremely poor visibility for landing, was like in the V1. I was very fortunate therefore, just before the publication was about to go to press, to discover an original early design drawing for the V1 - which appears on p40. I had to get the pages redesigned to fit it on, so it's very small, but here's a larger version against a drawing of the more familiar V2 cockpit. The V1 cabin was far less complex - and somewhat shorter.

DFS 228 V1 (early design):

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DFS 228 V2:

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Thank you very much. The Hortens did well with the prone pilot arrangement.
 

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