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Iranian made SAMs

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Back in 2010 Iran announced that it had cloned the Hawk system and called it Shahin and incorporated it in a system called Mersad that along with some primitive looking radars also incorporated a rather cool quad twin 23mm cannon system:



Then earlier this year they announced they were working on a Bavar 373 system whose obviously mocked up TELS looked rather like China's HQ-16 system (to me):



Recently the Iranians have continued their relative lack of innovation with the Mehrab, essentially a cloned SM-1 that they seem to be mounting in boxes on their "destroyers" along with particularly primitive fire control systems:



And most recently we have the Ra'd, which seems to be a cloned Buk system though they have been suspiciously quiet on the radars and fire control elements:



Iran seems to be playing with a whole bunch of programmes, it seems to be fairly obvious that few of them are really any good but it will be fun when they eventually get blown to pieces.
 

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The best summary I have heard of all the Indigenous conventional Iranian weapons programs was:

"And yet it can all be gone in moments"
 

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Iranians recently paraded what is appearently an Iranian knock off of a Chinese knock off of the Russian S-300 SAM. The thing was even painted in a pattern mimicking to the unique Chinese square pixel camouflage pattern. The problem is unlike the Chinese knockoff, which have actually been seen to fire from an cross-country TEL and hit things, the Iranian knockoff of the Chinese knockoff were mounted on standard truck chassis with sheet metal cladding, and no actuators to actually stand the fake missile canisters on end so they can pretend to fire.
 

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This topic would be so much better with pictures, and less of the silly, snide, chest-beating jingoistic comments. :(

These comments serve zero purpose on an international forum like this. Otherwise it will just end up like MP.net.

Why not see if you can post pictures to match the different projects instead?
 

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Kaiserbill,

The original post included links to videos of each system, PaulMM seems to have removed them though.
 

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Chuck4,

Actually hasn't recently paraded their S-300 class SAM. In the most recent parade Iran merely showed off a Heavy-duty truck which had a poster on that showed it to be a possible basis for a TEL for such a missile. FYI, the S-300 class SAM Iran is working on is called the Bavar-373. Other than the new poster, little is known about the project.

The real attraction in the parade was a new medium-range SAM operated by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (as opposed to the Iranian Army) that heavily resembles the Soviet/Russian BUK called the Ra'ad-1. The missile the system uses, the "Taer-2" looks quite similar to the 9M317 missile used by later variants of the BUK family. The Ra'ad-1 is claimed to have a range of 50km. In comparison to the BUK-M2 it uses a similar looking but also distinctively different TELAR, carries just three missiles not four and the TELARs on parade had no radar mounted. However a video showing the system being tested (proving its not a mockup or a fake) shows a radar system mounted on the TEL (thus making it a TELAR).
 

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Bavar-373 mockup, using a previous TEL, and publicly displayed in 2010:
 

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chuck4 said:
Iranians recently paraded what is appearently an Iranian knock off of a Chinese knock off of the Russian S-300 SAM.
I like this!!!
I don't think its far from the mark - if not correct! :-X

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Contrary to popular reports, there is zero evidence the Bavar-373 has anything to do with the Chinese HQ-9 other than they are both reportedly based on the S-300P/PMU family.

As the images I posted suggest, the "launcher mockup" from two years ago was just for show. The launch vehicle Iran plans on using is fundamentally different from anything the Russians or Chinese use. Other than that, too little is known about the Bavar-373 to say what it is most related to.
 

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Iran paraded the launcher mockup right after Russian announced the S-300 would be subject to embargo, proclaiming that it had no need of the S-300 since it had its own superior program in the works. I would suspect the mockups were built almost overnight, otherwise they might have done a better job. The 1 billion planned to be spent on S-300 no doubt became a 1 billion dollar nest egg to fund an R&D program.


If it is based on anything in specific the most likely source of information would be the rumored handful of S-300 battery components said to have been passed on by Belarus in exchange for oil in the mid-late 2000s period. HQ-9 makes about zero sense.
 

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Based on everything they have done so far it will probably be based very heavily on what they already have in country, it may end up looking outwardly similar to the likes of the HQ-9/S-300 family but will probably be markedly more primitive.
 

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Heres a sneak peek at the system prior to its official unveiling on the 22nd
 

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Based on everything they have done so far it will probably be based very heavily on what they already have in country, it may end up looking outwardly similar to the likes of the HQ-9/S-300 family but will probably be markedly more primitive.
You can't really go markedly more primitive than S-300P in modern world. Well, you can, but you will really need to TRY.
 

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Some of the latest stuff on b373

Heres a pic of the rear section of the b373 interceptor showing the mounts for the tvc system.This confirms the claim of tvc capability.

A vid showing some of the behind the scenes work of assembly of the system and some of its components.

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Some pics of the b373 tel
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The S and X band aesa radars
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The Sayyad 4 interceptor
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The Tabas sam system,probably co-developed with the third of khordad sam system,but using the less technologically challenging mechanically scanned slotted planar array radar type rather than aesa.
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The third of Khordad
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And heres a Third of Khordad with an interesting little extra marking added on to the operators hatch

And heres a close up.


Reengineered SA6 on new tel.
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Reengineered SA6 on new tel.
Wonder what are those missiles. Just copy of 3M9 or something more interesting?
I`d say its very likely that the airframes may be original,tho possibly also reverse/reengineered copies,but that the internals would likely be very,very different to the original ones ie all of the old analogue electronics would`ve been replaced with all new digital systems.Its possible that it may use some tabbas or third of khordad systems as there is another similar non radar equipped 3 axle tel that uses the older taer 1 type missiles that were seen on the earlier versions of both systems.


Sadly we still dont know very much about the various iranian sam programs,but from what has come out its apparent that the overall program to upgrade and modernise irans air defences was enormous.
 
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Heres the Mersad 16,formerly the Kamin 2 sam system.It appears to be the hawk/mersad sam system replacement and uses a modified version of the 15th of khordad launcher,but is fitted with a blast deflector to enable 360 degree rotation and low angle of elevation shots.The interceptor is also based on the rim66/mehrab airframe but is shorter than the sayyad 2 and looks almost identical to the rim66/mehrab.Usually 6 interceptors would be carried on the tel.

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The AN/MPQ-50 and AN/MPQ-46,or more likely their iranian copies,still appear to be used with the system,tho how much of these are original or based on the original designs is anyones guess,mine would be not very much.Both radars have been vehicle mounted for better scoot and shoot capability,The AN/MPQ-50 has also had the antenna modified to enable it to fold down when on the move or not in use,while the platform with the AN/MPQ-46 mounted on it drops down.

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And heres the modernised fire control/operators station,interestingly the iranians have opted to keep the layout fairly similar to the original rather than completely revamp it.

Heres another pic of the system with the radars stowed in the traveling position



And heres the Hafez long range aesa search radar thats used with the system.

 
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Heres one of the SA6 based systems,the Raad 1.The tel is in a fixed position minus its carrier vehicle.





And heres the fire control system,optronics look to be a major component of it.






The Raad 1 fire control system looks to be somewhat similar,tho not identical,to the one that the Raad 2 uses.



And heres where it all began,way waaay back in the 1980s during the iran-iraq war....
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Here we see a pair of rim66 sams mounted on a hawk launcher.
 
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Heres some pics of the "S300" system that was paraded back around 2010,tho what this system actually was,ie early B373 mockup/older S300 system components/something else,has still not been revealed.









 
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