Intelligence officials say United States has retrieved craft of non-human origin

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I try to limit my TV news watching to 4 minutes a day. But last night, I let it go over a little. Some person was presenting the idea that the U.S. and other countries are reverse engineering crashed UFOs and are now in a reverse engineering "arms race" because, as we all know, Russia or China, might figure out that some tiny gadget they found in the wreckage can disintegrate a battleship before we find out, because, presumably, we are all reverse engineering the same or similar crashed alien spaceships, and if they find out before we do then they can attack us and so on and so forth... and then I changed the channel..

Hey. No secret government agencies ever contact me to get my input.............
 
You *do* know that we are living in 2023, and that legitimate objective IQ tests are colour blind, right?

So far as I'm aware, nobody is suggesting *IQ* tests for voting. But who can legitimately argue that being ignorant of basic civics is a good thing... or that having a basic civics understanding should be a requirement to vote? If you have to pass a background check to buy a gun, then passing a basic "background check" in how the government works would make sense for voting.
"Name the Vice President." "What are the three branches of government?" "Name your state Governor." "What's bigger, the debt or the deficit?" Etc.

How can we hope to have a populace that could deal with "oh, look, space aliens" if we can't have a population expected to take even a *minimum* effort to know what the frak they're voting for?

Civics? They used to teach that. They want to take cursive writing away because, well, just because. Being a good, informed citizen was heavily promoted when I was growing up. Using illegal drugs was promoted as bad. Now, what do you hear on a regular basis? What? It sure isn't: Hi boys and girls! Get a good education. Learn history. Learn how to make good decisions. Being a good citizen is very important. And it 100% still is, but what is being promoted today? Good, clean living?

And professional journalism? Fer cryin' out loud. But, fortunately, there's still some of us left.
 
What happens when they come looking for their spacecraft and crew? And if not, why not?
 
What happens when they come looking for their spacecraft and crew? And if not, why not?

Apparently, they let us keep it/them, because - according to whistleblowers - we have some.
 
What happens when they come looking for their spacecraft and crew? And if not, why not?
There are several possibilities why they might not come after the crews, including:
1) They don't care about their crews. Because:
1A) They simply don't care (they are alien, after all)
1B) They are some sort of hive mind, and the crews minds are elsewhere
1C) The crews are of a slave race
1D) The crews are of a "lesser" caste

2) The "crews" are simply biological constructs:
2A) They are non-sentient drones
2B) They are remotely piloted avatars

3) The crews are sent deliberately as "sacrifices."
3A) Their religion demands it.
3B) They want to see who well/poorly they are treated, up to and beyond death
3C) They are condemned prisoners.
3D) It's a reality show.

4 through Infinity: ........
 
Possibly...
5) Similar to Star Trek's Prime Directive, which forbade the Federation from interfering with life and cultures on other planets no matter how well intentioned.
 
Possibly...
5) Similar to Star Trek's Prime Directive, which forbade the Federation from interfering with life and cultures on other planets no matter how well intentioned.
Starfleet would, however, recover downed tech and crew.
A civilization capable of interstellar travel must possess FTL technology, an anti-radiation force field, and a shield capable of repelling impacts. Also an FTL communications system and sensors much more advanced than ours. To study the intelligent species they do not need to descend to the surface of the planet, to study the progression of our technology they only need to study our spacecraft and space debris, if they have a powerful reason to land (for example the collection of biological samples) they do not need to compromise their FTL technology or that of force fields, simply send inexpensive probes that send the required information before self-destructing (such as our bio-degradable plastics).
 
Canada attends first-of-its-kind UFO briefing at the Pentagon
The Canadian government has confirmed its participation in a first-of-its kind international meeting on unidentified flying objects hosted at United States military headquarters.

The gathering at the Pentagon late last month comes amid a burst of activity in Washington and eye-popping news reports related to so-called Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).

It featured a U.S.-led briefing to visitors from nations of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing alliance, which includes Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand.

The Canadian Department of National Defence told CBC News in an email that Canada attended the meeting, led by a Royal Canadian Air Force representative.

"The details of the meeting remain classified," DND said in an email. "It can be characterized as the sharing of information on the subject of UAP and no further details can be shared at this time."

The meeting featured a presentation by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick — the veteran scientist in the U.S. national-defence establishment who leads the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), a new entity created in 2022 to lead UAP-related activities for the U.S. military.

Kirkpatrick publicly revealed the Five Eyes gathering last week while speaking at a public conference hosted by NASA.

"I have just held our first Five Eyes forum on this subject," Kirkpatrick said.

 
Possibly...
5) Similar to Star Trek's Prime Directive, which forbade the Federation from interfering with life and cultures on other planets no matter how well intentioned.
Starfleet would, however, recover downed tech and crew.
A civilization capable of interstellar travel must possess FTL technology, an anti-radiation force field, and a shield capable of repelling impacts. Also an FTL communications system and sensors much more advanced than ours. To study the intelligent species they do not need to descend to the surface of the planet, to study the progression of our technology they only need to study our spacecraft and space debris, if they have a powerful reason to land (for example the collection of biological samples) they do not need to compromise their FTL technology or that of force fields, simply send inexpensive probes that send the required information before self-destructing (such as our bio-degradable plastics).
The issue is that is based on what we perceive or know.

Hypothetically, the issue hasn’t fully been that we as a nation or nations have been hiding things or history. But rather a nation or nations have to admit we don’t know what this is, as we have a very limited understanding. That’s far scarier.

Hypothetically. It may come out that we came across some technology that was recovered during WWII but the country of origin had it in its possession that predates that. Not Germany.

Much like humans can see 1 million colors yet there are 100 million colors around us. 99 million colors we can’t see. Perception.

Potentially, there is much more to this than what we have been told or perceive as a traditional view on non-human.
 
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Canada attends first-of-its-kind UFO briefing at the Pentagon

The Canadian government has confirmed its participation in a first-of-its kind international meeting on unidentified flying objects hosted at United States military headquarters.

The gathering at the Pentagon late last month comes amid a burst of activity in Washington and eye-popping news reports related to so-called Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).

It featured a U.S.-led briefing to visitors from nations of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing alliance, which includes Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand.

The Canadian Department of National Defence told CBC News in an email that Canada attended the meeting, led by a Royal Canadian Air Force representative.

"The details of the meeting remain classified," DND said in an email. "It can be characterized as the sharing of information on the subject of UAP and no further details can be shared at this time."

The meeting featured a presentation by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick — the veteran scientist in the U.S. national-defence establishment who leads the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), a new entity created in 2022 to lead UAP-related activities for the U.S. military.

Kirkpatrick publicly revealed the Five Eyes gathering last week while speaking at a public conference hosted by NASA.

"I have just held our first Five Eyes forum on this subject," Kirkpatrick said.


Far more interesting meeting in April.
 
Despite my doubts about this recent push for the truth, if Area 51 has recovered vehicles as that article claims, I could understand the motivation for putting up with the plane or bus rides into work every day, and operating under such strict security procedures.

Your job satisfaction would be that you were able to put your hands on something that was built on another planet.
 
Those would belong in the Smithsonian, stat!

It belongs in the Smithsonian ! They should have Indy chasing ancient aliens and their flying saucers, perhaps with Shia Labeouf at his son... oh no, forget that, probably a very bad script and resulting movie.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXyPvhISkRQ
 
What happens when they come looking for their spacecraft and crew? And if not, why not?
There are several possibilities why they might not come after the crews, including:
1) They don't care about their crews. Because:
1A) They simply don't care (they are alien, after all)
1B) They are some sort of hive mind, and the crews minds are elsewhere
1C) The crews are of a slave race
1D) The crews are of a "lesser" caste

2) The "crews" are simply biological constructs:
2A) They are non-sentient drones
2B) They are remotely piloted avatars

3) The crews are sent deliberately as "sacrifices."
3A) Their religion demands it.
3B) They want to see who well/poorly they are treated, up to and beyond death
3C) They are condemned prisoners.
3D) It's a reality show.

4 through Infinity: ........

Or the super-advanced alien civilization who´s interstellar/intergalactic/interdimensional spacecraft (type 'ET-7' ?) regularly crash on Earth (with a preference for the North-American continent), is unable to develop a functioning ejection-seat/capsule.
 
Starfleet would, however, recover downed tech and crew.
Their lack of effort to recover the crew would tell me that their crews are either expendable or that their mission is much greater than the lives lost or the discovery of their technology.
 
Possibly...
5) Similar to Star Trek's Prime Directive, which forbade the Federation from interfering with life and cultures on other planets no matter how well intentioned.
Starfleet would, however, recover downed tech and crew.
A civilization capable of interstellar travel must possess FTL technology, an anti-radiation force field, and a shield capable of repelling impacts. Also an FTL communications system and sensors much more advanced than ours. To study the intelligent species they do not need to descend to the surface of the planet, to study the progression of our technology they only need to study our spacecraft and space debris, if they have a powerful reason to land (for example the collection of biological samples) they do not need to compromise their FTL technology or that of force fields, simply send inexpensive probes that send the required information before self-destructing (such as our bio-degradable plastics).
The issue is that is based on what we perceive or know.

Hypothetically, the issue hasn’t fully been that we as a nation or nations have been hiding things or history. But rather a nation or nations have to admit we don’t know what this is, as we have a very limited understanding. That’s far scarier.

Hypothetically. It may come out that we came across some technology that was recovered during WWII but the country of origin had it in its possession that predates that. Not Germany.

Much like humans can see 1 million colors yet there are 100 million colors around us. 99 million colors we can’t see. Perception.

Potentially, there is much more to this than what we have been told or perceive as a traditional view on non-human.

Those statements are untrue. This has been hidden globally for decades.
 
Some parts of the article feels compelling, other parts, less so. Such as:

Others said that the U.S. has been able to fly at least one of the retrieved craft. “Some of the tech is very cutting-edge,” said a source, “and they have to travel to places like Italy, Belgium, and Indonesia to do flight testing.

Ahh yes, we're flight testing downed UFO's in totally remote places......like Belgium.
 

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Why do you believe that?
The main reason is that idea of finding crashed alien spacecrafts on Earth is against elementary logic. If aliens took tremendous efforts to hide their approach of Earth - which is extremely hard, and required technology much superior to what we consider possible - then why their ships crashed so easily, and why aliens made zero efforts to imnediately recover the wreck? Its a contradiction.

We have no data about how many "alien" ships have visited Earth and how often. If one crash per 100,000 visits actually occurred then that's one ship, followed by a few more after a few hundred thousand additional visits. Spacecraft recovery? We can't do it.

The primary argument against spaceships from light years away is this: food. Even if the occupants could be put into suspended animation, a supply of a nutrient fluid, never mind solid food, would be required, and given intravenously.

The secondary problem is the energy required to travel interstellar distances. A "warp" drive using antimatter, mediated by some unknown crystal, would release how much energy? And it would be impossible to maneuver away from some obstacle large enough to destroy the ship.
Humankind is within a handful of decades of reaching the technological singularity, with the possibility of even achieving it inside the current one not a laughing matter anymore. Given that the universe is 14 billion years old, any technological civilizations that isn't ours will certainly be thousands or millions of years ahead. Unless aliens have their own version of Butlerian Jihad, they will have transcended their own biology, with concerns like sustenance and suspended animation obsolete to them.
 
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Why do you believe that?
The main reason is that idea of finding crashed alien spacecrafts on Earth is against elementary logic. If aliens took tremendous efforts to hide their approach of Earth - which is extremely hard, and required technology much superior to what we consider possible - then why their ships crashed so easily, and why aliens made zero efforts to imnediately recover the wreck? Its a contradiction.

We have no data about how many "alien" ships have visited Earth and how often. If one crash per 100,000 visits actually occurred then that's one ship, followed by a few more after a few hundred thousand additional visits. Spacecraft recovery? We can't do it.

The primary argument against spaceships from light years away is this: food. Even if the occupants could be put into suspended animation, a supply of a nutrient fluid, never mind solid food, would be required, and given intravenously.

The secondary problem is the energy required to travel interstellar distances. A "warp" drive using antimatter, mediated by some unknown crystal, would release how much energy? And it would be impossible to maneuver away from some obstacle large enough to destroy the ship.
Humankind is within a handful of decades of reaching the technological singularity, with the possibility of even achieving it inside the current one not a laughing matter anymore. Given that universe is 14 billion years old, any technological civilizations that isn't ours will certainly be thousands or millions of years ahead. Unless aliens have their own version of Butlerian Jihad, they will have transcended their own biology, with concerns like sustenance and suspended animation obsolete to them.

Robots then? Hardly a worthwhile prospect.
 
You know, the question isn't even whether or not any of this is even true, it is laughably false. The question is what kind of program is the pentagon trying to protect with a counter intelligence operation IN THE PENTAGON that is of this scale, and this out of control.
 
You know, the question isn't even whether or not any of this is even true, it is laughably false. The question is what kind of program is the pentagon trying to protect with a counter intelligence operation IN THE PENTAGON that is of this scale, and this out of control.

I strongly suspect the answer is: We'll never know.
 
Okay, clarification about some aspects of international space law.

Article VIII

A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer
space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over
any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body. Ownership of
objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a
celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in
outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to the Earth. Such objects or
component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party to the Treaty on
whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State Party, which shall,
upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return.

(Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, 1966)

So if United States came into possession of, say, a wreckage of foreign military satellite, then according to the Treaty, United States must return it to the rightful owner. Of course, US military & intelligence did not want to do it, since such wreckage is a valuable source of intelligence.

So how to avoid such burden? Simple - to classify such things as "unidentified". If USA aren't sure what it is, then USA have no legal obligation to return it... right? So instead of "wreckage of Chinese military satellite" (that they are obliged to return), they just wrote "crashed unidentified spacecraft" (that US have no obligation to return).

And so we have a lot of secret - highly secret! - documents, talking about "unidentified spacecraft". At some point, someone not involved get a view on documents, and made obvious (wrong) assumption: that they are talking about alien spacecraft! And the "story" became public.
 
You know, the question isn't even whether or not any of this is even true, it is laughably false. The question is what kind of program is the pentagon trying to protect with a counter intelligence operation IN THE PENTAGON that is of this scale, and this out of control.
Want a most probable answer? The program of collecting foreign spacecraft & rockets debris without noticing the nations who owned them. It's highly illegal - direct and clear violation of Outer Space Treaty of 1966. But it's something that US intelligence and US military would be very-very willing to risk, since space technology is usually a cutting edge of nations tech capabilities.
 
Why do you believe that?
The main reason is that idea of finding crashed alien spacecrafts on Earth is against elementary logic. If aliens took tremendous efforts to hide their approach of Earth - which is extremely hard, and required technology much superior to what we consider possible - then why their ships crashed so easily, and why aliens made zero efforts to imnediately recover the wreck? Its a contradiction.

We have no data about how many "alien" ships have visited Earth and how often. If one crash per 100,000 visits actually occurred then that's one ship, followed by a few more after a few hundred thousand additional visits. Spacecraft recovery? We can't do it.

The primary argument against spaceships from light years away is this: food. Even if the occupants could be put into suspended animation, a supply of a nutrient fluid, never mind solid food, would be required, and given intravenously.

The secondary problem is the energy required to travel interstellar distances. A "warp" drive using antimatter, mediated by some unknown crystal, would release how much energy? And it would be impossible to maneuver away from some obstacle large enough to destroy the ship.
Humankind is within a handful of decades of reaching the technological singularity, with the possibility of even achieving it inside the current one not a laughing matter anymore. Given that the universe is 14 billion years old, any technological civilizations that isn't ours will certainly be thousands or millions of years ahead. Unless aliens have their own version of Butlerian Jihad, they will have transcended their own biology, with concerns like sustenance and suspended animation obsolete to them.
According to Ray Kurzweil the singularity will be reached in 2043.

https://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Near-Humans-Transcend-Biology/dp/0143037889
 
You know, the question isn't even whether or not any of this is even true, it is laughably false. The question is what kind of program is the pentagon trying to protect with a counter intelligence operation IN THE PENTAGON that is of this scale, and this out of control.
In 1947 the technology they were trying to hide was the stealth configuration inherent in the aerodynamic shapes of flying wings. Possibly some technological implications of artificial intelligence and quantum computers are being seen as a threat to the stability of the system.
 
Okay, clarification about some aspects of international space law.

Article VIII

A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer
space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over
any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body. Ownership of
objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a
celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in
outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to the Earth. Such objects or
component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party to the Treaty on
whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State Party, which shall,
upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return.

(Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, 1966)

So if United States came into possession of, say, a wreckage of foreign military satellite, then according to the Treaty, United States must return it to the rightful owner. Of course, US military & intelligence did not want to do it, since such wreckage is a valuable source of intelligence.

So how to avoid such burden? Simple - to classify such things as "unidentified". If USA aren't sure what it is, then USA have no legal obligation to return it... right? So instead of "wreckage of Chinese military satellite" (that they are obliged to return), they just wrote "crashed unidentified spacecraft" (that US have no obligation to return).

And so we have a lot of secret - highly secret! - documents, talking about "unidentified spacecraft". At some point, someone not involved get a view on documents, and made obvious (wrong) assumption: that they are talking about alien spacecraft! And the "story" became public.
That theory is very good, in my opinion it brilliantly solves the question.But... Why reactivate an issue that has been dead for so many years just now? What relationship can this maskirova have with the current situation?, Ukraine? .AI?, A new virus?
 
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Why do you believe that?
The main reason is that idea of finding crashed alien spacecrafts on Earth is against elementary logic. If aliens took tremendous efforts to hide their approach of Earth - which is extremely hard, and required technology much superior to what we consider possible - then why their ships crashed so easily, and why aliens made zero efforts to imnediately recover the wreck? Its a contradiction.

We have no data about how many "alien" ships have visited Earth and how often. If one crash per 100,000 visits actually occurred then that's one ship, followed by a few more after a few hundred thousand additional visits. Spacecraft recovery? We can't do it.

The primary argument against spaceships from light years away is this: food. Even if the occupants could be put into suspended animation, a supply of a nutrient fluid, never mind solid food, would be required, and given intravenously.

The secondary problem is the energy required to travel interstellar distances. A "warp" drive using antimatter, mediated by some unknown crystal, would release how much energy? And it would be impossible to maneuver away from some obstacle large enough to destroy the ship.
Humankind is within a handful of decades of reaching the technological singularity, with the possibility of even achieving it inside the current one not a laughing matter anymore. Given that the universe is 14 billion years old, any technological civilizations that isn't ours will certainly be thousands or millions of years ahead. Unless aliens have their own version of Butlerian Jihad, they will have transcended their own biology, with concerns like sustenance and suspended animation obsolete to them.
According to Ray Kurzweil the singularity will be reached in 2043.

https://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Near-Humans-Transcend-Biology/dp/0143037889

I think Mister Kurzweil is far too optimistic, and leaves out key data. Even if the human brain/mind could be transferred to a human replica robot body, certain problems immediately arise. Among them are friends and family who refuse. Who wish to live out a normal human lifespan. You will live on, theoretically, forever, and watch some people you know die. You will not age. I suppose looking 30 forever is an interesting idea, but by the time you are 130, your memories will be from the actual number of years you have lived.

Death by accident is a real possibility. Your brain/mind is trapped in a life-support system. If that system fails before it can be repaired, you could face real, actual death.

Then there is the cost. As time passes, you might be offered an upgraded version of your current body. Perhaps it's more resistant to damage or bullets.

There are psychological aspects I won't go into. Suffice it to say that this route will be expensive dollar wise, social/society wise, and on a personal experience level.
 
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