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They're not changing them. :rolleyes: Much as I like Trump he really ought to listen to the real experts instead of the fake ones in the media. Hell, if they tried to change them it would probably kill the program due to the cost explosion.
 

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The Navy seems to be in a bit of a panic there.
If issues an order they're in a deep hole until he's out in January 2021, they'll either waste a bank on design change work they'll never use or they'll delay advance work on the next CVN until the order is rescinded by his successor, obviously neither is anywhere close to ideal. There's also the option of just ignoring the order, but that's a gamble on the hope that the President isn't vindictive enough to punish Navy leadership for blowing it off, or getting Congress to mandate EMALs in law, which is a gamble on the hope that enough Republicans will defy their Party's messiah to override his veto. Panic is not uncalled for.
 

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If issues an order they're in a deep hole until he's out in January 2021, they'll either waste a bank on design change work they'll never use or they'll delay advance work on the next CVN until the order is rescinded by his successor, obviously neither is anywhere close to ideal.
You're assuming there that he won't be re-elected. Given the way that the Democrats appear to be throwing away their recent electoral gains (so much so that they may even end up losing the House of Representatives in the next election), not to mention the traditional advantage of an incumbent, that may not be a safe bet at all.
 

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If issues an order they're in a deep hole until he's out in January 2021, they'll either waste a bank on design change work they'll never use or they'll delay advance work on the next CVN until the order is rescinded by his successor, obviously neither is anywhere close to ideal.
You're assuming there that he won't be re-elected. Given the way that the Democrats appear to be throwing away their recent electoral gains (so much so that they may even end up losing the House of Representatives in the next election), not to mention the traditional advantage of an incumbent, that may not be a safe bet at all.
The only thing that could throw a wrench in the works is social media and the press are in the tank for the democrats, and aren't shy about shutting down conservative speech. 2020 won't be boring, that's for sure.

In the mean time, there's not a chance in hell the Fords will be converted to steam. Somebody will, "show him the light" and that will be that.
 
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Ripping out EMALS from CVN-78 is not going to happen. Reworking the soon-to-be-launched CVN-79 - very unlikely. It would cost billions, with the president saying he wants to save money. Redesign CVN-80? I recall several forum members lamenting the DoD's inclination to ditch technology before giving it a fair chance. On the other hand: ditch EMALS, then flog USS Gerald R Ford and USS John F Kennedy as floating casinos...
 

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Wait and see.
 

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If issues an order they're in a deep hole until he's out in January 2021, they'll either waste a bank on design change work they'll never use or they'll delay advance work on the next CVN until the order is rescinded by his successor, obviously neither is anywhere close to ideal.
You're assuming there that he won't be re-elected. Given the way that the Democrats appear to be throwing away their recent electoral gains (so much so that they may even end up losing the House of Representatives in the next election), not to mention the traditional advantage of an incumbent, that may not be a safe bet at all.
The comment was more meant to be seen as a "best case, this is the sorta scramble they're looking at should he issue the order he just said he would issue" than a guarantee of an electoral outcome. Lord knows, there's far too many factors and outcomes down that road to make a certain call today.
 

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Constantly bashing EMALS and threatening to rip it out and go back to steam seems very strange given that we're probably assisting two other nations in deciding on a potential sale of the technology for future carrier application.
 

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The Navy seems to be in a bit of a panic there.
Don't really see that, why do you think so? They are looking at an admited non-technically inclined President who's siezed on an idea he thinks is 'better' for which there is little actual support to his argument. Even if he does "order" them to change, (which has to go through Congress who has to authorize the expenditure which they are unlikely to do since it would delay delivery and greatly increase the cost) it can not be carried out in any time-frame where he'd be in office so it's actually a non-issue. Smile and say "yes sir" and carry on which is what we do 90% of the time when a politician thinks he's making an 'informed' decsion and he's not.

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Stranger things have happened though.
Yep and I'd not put it past Trump to pull a Truman, (another "non-technical" President) and if reelected just cancle the entire CVN-78+ program and scrap them on the spot. Then tell the Navy to start from scratch WITH steam this time. It would be monumentally stupid and short-sighted but that's not something that Trump would care about.

As I noted above it really doesn't matter what he thinks or wants even if he gets reelected he's on his way out the day he re-takes the oath of office. Some delays, some fancy shuffling and then carry on and delivery is only delayed a few years at worst. And that's assuming Congress goes along with him which is questionable since they tend to "talk" his line and then do what they need/want to do behind his back.

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Writes up the order to begin the study to move to steam on Feb 1st, 2025.

Worst case, rip it up on Jan 31st.
 

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The comment was more meant to be seen as a "best case, this is the sorta scramble they're looking at should he issue the order he just said he would issue" than a guarantee of an electoral outcome. Lord knows, there's far too many factors and outcomes down that road to make a certain call today.
My apologies, should have realised.

With regards as to EMALS, another complicating factor is that support for it within Congress is not as solid as one would like, even allowing for the shenanigans of the 'Diversity, not Defense!' crowd & other anti-defence political elements. And that's even before we get to the Gerald R. Ford program in general.
 

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The comment was more meant to be seen as a "best case, this is the sorta scramble they're looking at should he issue the order he just said he would issue" than a guarantee of an electoral outcome. Lord knows, there's far too many factors and outcomes down that road to make a certain call today.
My apologies, should have realised.

With regards as to EMALS, another complicating factor is that support for it within Congress is not as solid as one would like, even allowing for the shenanigans of the 'Diversity, not Defense!' crowd & other anti-defence political elements. And that's even before we get to the Gerald R. Ford program in general.

I'd wager any lack of support is NOT due to technical knowledge. My money is that it comes down to two things: 1. Ignorance. 2. Willfully twisting the facts for news coverage. One thing that used to pi$$ me off about McCain is that anytime there was a flaw (real or perceived) in some weapon he'd scream for a camera and a soapbox so he could beat it up on camera and get his headlines. EMALS is the future, and getting it solid isn't going to happen by giving up. It never ceases to amaze me how often the ignorant think a problem will magically fix itself if we cancel it.
 

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Sorry, Bloomberg recently put in that as an anti-bot feature, it's pretty annoying. Here's the opening of the article:
Only two of 11 elevators needed to lift munitions to the deck of the U.S. Navy’s new $13 billion aircraft carrier have been fully installed, according to a Navy veteran who serves on a key House committee.

“I don’t see an end in sight right now” to getting all the elevators working on the USS Gerald R. Ford, the costliest warship ever, Democratic Representative Elaine Luria of Virginia said in an interview. The ship was supposed to be delivered with the Advanced Weapons Elevators, which are moved by magnets rather than cables, working in May 2017.

It’s another setback for contractor Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc. -- and for the Navy, which had said in December it planned to complete installation and testing of all 11 elevators before the Ford completed its post-delivery shakedown phase this month, with at least half certified for operation.

Instead, the shakedown phase has been extended to October and the vessel won’t have all the elevators fully installed -- much less functioning -- by then, according to Luria, a 20-year Navy surface warfare officer whose served on two aircraft carriers and as shore maintenance coordinator for a third.

“Essentially, the ship can’t deploy,” Luria said. “It can’t carry ammunition.” She said the Navy and Huntington Ingalls are trying to solve new problems with doors and hatches lining elevators shafts that don’t meet specifications.
 
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