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Current US hypersonic weapons projects. (General)

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That has to be the only time "hypersonic" and "loiter" were used in the same program description...
 

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That has to be the only time "hypersonic" and "loiter" were used in the same program description...
I've seen similar ideas before though. The setup is that you lob a very fast bus vehicle into the area based on time-sensitive intelligence. It then kicks out a few loitering weapons that can wait a bit to see if the target develops as expected. So, for example, you hear that Bin Laden is leaving his cave in the next hour and you have nothing currently on station. But you don't know exactly when he's leaving and you don't have a source that will tell you instantly when he pops his head out. So you shoot your hypersonic bus, get on station in 20 minutes, then the payload loiters for the next hour and caps anyone who shows up.

Edit: I think it's worth noting that this is a pretty damned rare scenario.
 
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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
 

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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
I often wonder where the SR-72 has disappeared too, the last time I had heard or saw anything SR-72 related was when I was reading Steve Pace's The Projects of Skunk Works book.
 

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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
I often wonder where the SR-72 has disappeared too, the last time I had heard or saw anything SR-72 related was when I was reading Steve Pace's The Projects of Skunk Works book.
Or even the subscale, single-engine demonstrator.

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"Moreover, as Aviation Week disclosed, a joint U.S.-UK study, Thresher (Tactical High-Speed, Responsive and Highly Efficient Round), is underway between the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory and UK Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (AW&ST April 6-19, p. 14). It is due to be completed in 2022 or 2023."

A passing reference as it was discussing UK hypersonic programs. The other 95% of the article was about foreign systems. If you had to bring it up why not just cite the original article here:


"The previously undisclosed joint Project Arrangement, which expires in fiscal 2022 or 2023, is “maturing technologies within the context of a comprehensive weapon system concept,” with science and technology-level activity for the Thresher over the next 3-4 years focused on the aerodynamics, warhead and propulsion, the Defense Ministry says."

Of course even this latter link is mostly about UK programs. And it's not really a specific weapons program as it is more a generic research effort that doesn't really belong in this topic as such.
And that just sounds like you’re dancing on a pinhead in an effort to justify to my mind what was your original unreasonable stance. Especially as your original post made it sound like you hadn’t even read the original article fully.
 

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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
I often wonder where the SR-72 has disappeared too, the last time I had heard or saw anything SR-72 related was when I was reading Steve Pace's The Projects of Skunk Works book.
Or even the subscale, single-engine demonstrator.

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I didn't realize that the 'SR-72' project was anything more than a rumor. Also, was it confirmed that RATTLRS was cancelled or did it just disappear? In the latter case, it might have gone black.
 

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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
I often wonder where the SR-72 has disappeared too, the last time I had heard or saw anything SR-72 related was when I was reading Steve Pace's The Projects of Skunk Works book.
Or even the subscale, single-engine demonstrator.

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I didn't realize that the 'SR-72' project was anything more than a rumor. Also, was it confirmed that RATTLRS was cancelled or did it just disappear? In the latter case, it might have gone black.
Anytime a project like RATTLRS disappears from the public eye for some reason I automatically start to think that it has disappeared into the black world as well, especially with country's like China and Russia trying to get access to any form of information about them.
 

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"Moreover, as Aviation Week disclosed, a joint U.S.-UK study, Thresher (Tactical High-Speed, Responsive and Highly Efficient Round), is underway between the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory and UK Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (AW&ST April 6-19, p. 14). It is due to be completed in 2022 or 2023."

A passing reference as it was discussing UK hypersonic programs. The other 95% of the article was about foreign systems. If you had to bring it up why not just cite the original article here:


"The previously undisclosed joint Project Arrangement, which expires in fiscal 2022 or 2023, is “maturing technologies within the context of a comprehensive weapon system concept,” with science and technology-level activity for the Thresher over the next 3-4 years focused on the aerodynamics, warhead and propulsion, the Defense Ministry says."

Of course even this latter link is mostly about UK programs. And it's not really a specific weapons program as it is more a generic research effort that doesn't really belong in this topic as such.
And that just sounds like you’re dancing on a pinhead in an effort to justify to my mind what was your original unreasonable stance. Especially as your original post made it sound like you hadn’t even read the original article fully.
Stop projecting. The topic is US WEAPONS. This is not that.
 

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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
I often wonder where the SR-72 has disappeared too, the last time I had heard or saw anything SR-72 related was when I was reading Steve Pace's The Projects of Skunk Works book.
Or even the subscale, single-engine demonstrator.

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I didn't realize that the 'SR-72' project was anything more than a rumor. Also, was it confirmed that RATTLRS was cancelled or did it just disappear? In the latter case, it might have gone black.
Don't know how something like that could, "go black". To be useful it would have to be out to the fleet, require all kinds of testing, etc. Apparently they flight tested a few, did not publish the results, and that was that.
 

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Remember when RATTLRS, HyFly, X-51, HTV-2, Fasthawk, etc. were going to revolutionize things? Call me skeptical. (But hopeful.)
I often wonder where the SR-72 has disappeared too, the last time I had heard or saw anything SR-72 related was when I was reading Steve Pace's The Projects of Skunk Works book.
Or even the subscale, single-engine demonstrator.

View attachment 635560
I didn't realize that the 'SR-72' project was anything more than a rumor. Also, was it confirmed that RATTLRS was cancelled or did it just disappear? In the latter case, it might have gone black.
Anytime a project like RATTLRS disappears from the public eye for some reason I automatically start to think that it has disappeared into the black world as well, especially with country's like China and Russia trying to get access to any form of information about them.
Here's hoping RATTLRS lived on. I thought I remember reading a blurb about an engine test that generated more thrust per weight than any other engine; it seemed a like a promising yet not overly challenging route to go down. It wouldn't have the brute force of a scramjet but being to throttle up and down speeds must have its uses.
 

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What would be the point in taking rattlrs black and having a small token force? The sr72 makes sense to go black until its operational. But rattlrs would be bought in hundreds. Plus all crew and maintainers training needed...

Hopefully there are some black operational programs hiding in the world!

Remember about 2 years ago when Northrop accidentally released a photo of what they thought was a b2 cockpit mockup but it turned out to be a single seat cockpit most likely for a stealth transport?
 

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Good for the Marines to go into the hypersonic business. Wonder what sort of weapons they will be? Missiles?
 

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I’d think they would just buy whatever the army produces.
 

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Published same day Inside Defense pay site

Marine Corps eyeing DARPA-developed hypersonic weapon
The Marine Corps is exploring adopting a hypersonic weapon, a move that would extend plans for fielding the new class of ultra-fast, maneuvering systems beyond the Army, Navy and Air Force


Marine Corps shows no interest in DARPA hypersonic program
The Marine Corps, after discussing potential adoption of a hypersonic weapon with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, recently waived off interest in fielding a ground-launched variant of an ultra-fast weapon, according to a spokesman
 

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DOD establishes Joint Hypersonic Transition Office to stand up new university consortium and more
The Defense Department has established a Joint Hypersonic Transition Office and charged the new shop with overseeing creation of a university-led consortium to expand cooperation between academia, industry and government as part of the U.S. military's goal to eventually scale production of a new class of high-speed, maneuvering weapons
Good news that the US DOD have set up a Joint Hypersonic Transition Office and also got the university’s involved as well in Hypersonics.
 

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5G is arguably a technological dead end.
 

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I didn't realize that the 'SR-72' project was anything more than a rumor. Also, was it confirmed that RATTLRS was cancelled or did it just disappear? In the latter case, it might have gone black.
"SR-72" was a paper study. For whatever reason LM promoted it to the press. RATTLRS was cancelled after flight hardware was built. I can't remember if I was able to track down the disposition of that hardware.
 

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I didn't realize that the 'SR-72' project was anything more than a rumor. Also, was it confirmed that RATTLRS was cancelled or did it just disappear? In the latter case, it might have gone black.
"SR-72" was a paper study. For whatever reason LM promoted it to the press. RATTLRS was cancelled after flight hardware was built. I can't remember if I was able to track down the disposition of that hardware.
Pity that the SR-72 was only a paper study, and that RATTLERS was cancelled after flight hardware was built. I wonder why they were not proceeded with.
 

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5G is arguably a technological dead end.
Could you explain?
Basically it is extremely overhyped, not to mention the very opposite of secure and robust. Which is a bit ironic given that one of the impetuses behind development of the technology, such as it is, was to try to salvage the dead end that is Cloud Computing. 4G is arguably the high water mark of mobile phone/device technology as we know it, and even that has struggled a fair bit.

Both the 5G hardware and software protocols & standards are an unholy mess, to put it mildly.
 
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