Wonder if the USAF have finally realised that they need many more bombers than they were expecting because of the delays to the Sentinel program?
I'm pretty sure the USAF has wanted a lot more bombers than they were telling Congress, but figured that the most money they were going to get out of Congress was 1:1 replacement of B-2s and B-1s.

Remember: If "pro" is the opposite of "con", then "congress" is the opposite of "progress"!
 
The USAF wanted to budget proof the B-21. That is, they wanted the production rate and yearly costs of the program to be sufficiently low that no Congress would ever axe the whole program. Of course the program is a decade old and the strategic situation has changed.
 
A new nuclear bunker buster prototype has been funded by Congress:


Looks like SEPW/RNEP v2.0.

I wonder if they'll go with a B61-based solution like SEPW, or with a B83-based solution like RNEP? In both cases both the B61 and B83 were evaluated for the role. The RNEP proposal was prepared with the benefit of B61-11 experience to inform planners, and so they had a better grasp on what precise capabilities the follow-on weapon would needed (and what major weaknesses the B61 turned out to have in practice), which was supposedly a key part of why the B83 was selected for the RNEP over the B61.

With RNEP being the newer program and the only one proposed following the (very disappointing) introduction of the B61-11, I'd guess the safe bet to make on purely technical merits would be for it to be based on the B83.

However we all know that politics play a far greater role than technical merits in the final decision, and so I wouldn't be shocked if they end up somehow deciding that a B61-based EPW makes more sense despite the numerous downsides of said approach.

In all fairness, as long as they replace enough of the original components, you can theoretically make a B61 into a pretty decent EPW.

However the B83 is inherently going to be a superior EPW simply by virtue of its greater weight and larger size if nothing else. The much greater yield and the fact that it's already inherently much more shock hardened to start with (and are supposedly also considerably easier to rework for even greater shock hardness than the B61's components would be) are just bonuses on top.

Idk if we'll actually get a full blown weapons program out of this, or if it'll just die a quiet death in a few years. IMO we very badly need a replacement for the B61-11, it was always designed as a subpar emergency stopgap option to fill the gap before the full-fledged SEPW/RNEP could be finished being designed and produced, and it was never intended to serve as the only US EPW for anywhere near as long as it has. However I'm not sure that Congress will consistently support this new program for long enough to actually see it through to the production stage.
 
I wonder if the US still has the capacity to build a new-build B61/W61 physics-package?
The physics package isn't an issue. We have plenty of B61-7 bombs that can have the physics package scavenged for use in another mod. The B61-11 and B61-13 are both using a B61-7's physics package. There are no shortage of physics packages for producing nuclear EPWs.

The real issue is that the original AF&F, fireset, gas transfer system, physics package mounting, and pretty much all other components in the bomb are designed for fairly low peak acceleration loads. For an optimized EPW design, it needs to be able to withstand decelerations of up to 10,000 g.

The existing B61-7 components can't handle those kinds of loads, and the original W61 program (which the B61-11 was basically a carbon copy of) prioritizing reusing the existing physics package, AF&F, fireset, GTS, and all other components of the B61-7 as-is without making any major modifications to any of them. This was done in part due to the perceived urgency to get a stopgap EPW capability online as fast as possible, and so it was thought that redesigning B61-7 components to allow higher deceleration loads would impose unacceptable delays (and would also add unacceptable extra costs).

When the B61-11 program began, it was subjected to the same constraints as the W61 program, but with an even greater need for urgency due to pressure to retire the B53 bombs as rapidly as possible (which required bringing the B61-11 into production as quickly as possible, even if that required cutting corners to achieve).

Ironically the final B61-11 that was rushed into action is likely significantly inferior to a B53 in terms of efficacy against buried targets, as it has a rather pathetic ability to penetrate through anything but the softest possible soils, meaning that the level of explosive coupling that can be achieved is severely limited in typical target soil/rock conditions, and therefore that it cannot measure up to the B53 in terms of equivalent destruction on most missions despite the supposed advantage from being an EPW.
 
Problem with the B83 is that it's huge. Anything can carry a B61, very few can carry a B83.
 
Problem with the B83 is that it's huge. Anything can carry a B61, very few can carry a B83.

The B83 weighs 2,465lb which is just over 400lb heavier than a Mk-84 GP bomb so that shouldn't be an issue, if a fighter (Or bomber) can carry a Mk-84 and has the special-stores wiring it should be able to carry a B83.
 
The B83 weighs 2,465lb which is just over 400lb heavier than a Mk-84 GP bomb so that shouldn't be an issue, if a fighter (Or bomber) can carry a Mk-84 and has the special-stores wiring it should be able to carry a B83.
It's exactly MK84 size but it's heavier so the pilot has to watch out more for the g-limit during flight.
Nuclear stores need a nuclear certified rack nothing else (ofc the aircraft has to be certified for nukes). This is to prevent anyone from just moutning and using them.
 
That is exactly why the B-1B lost it's nuclear role after the Cold War ended when the USAF converted it to carry conventional bombs only and removed all the wiring for the nuclear bombs, it would take a lot of work to reinstall all the wiring to make the B-1 compatible for them again.
 
It's exactly MK84 size but it's heavier so the pilot has to watch out more for the g-limit during flight.
Nuclear stores need a nuclear certified rack nothing else (ofc the aircraft has to be certified for nukes). This is to prevent anyone from just moutning and using them.
? There's a couple Mk84 configurations that are pretty close in weight. It's not like it's 50% heavier or anything, it's only about 10% heavier than the heaviest Mk84 setups.
 
? There's a couple Mk84 configurations that are pretty close in weight. It's not like it's 50% heavier or anything, it's only about 10% heavier than the heaviest Mk84 setups.
I think removing the bulky parachute for a JDAM tailkit will fix the weight problem.
 
I think removing the bulky parachute for a JDAM tailkit will fix the weight problem.
Depends on how exactly it's expected to land on the ground. If simple laydown is still viable, then you'd need the parachute. If it needs to hit hard enough to penetrate the ground, then the JDAM tailkit would work.
 
I think removing the bulky parachute for a JDAM tailkit will fix the weight problem.
The EPW variant will be heavier than the base B83. Estimated weight is 3040 lbs. The base B83 weighs 2465 lbs, so that is an increase of 575 lbs.
 
And how heavy is the parachute pack?
As far as I am aware that figure has never been released for the B83.

For the B61, the mass of the tail on the B61-7 is 80.7 kg (178 lbs), which increased to 150 kg (331 lbs) for the B61-11 despite the removal of the parachute pack (and the continued lack of a guidance system).

The 3040 lbs figure I quoted for the B83-based RNEP includes the mass of the new tail, which would include a JDAM-like precision guidance kit.
 
B61 mod 12/13 also gained weight despite loss of parachute from what I’ve read; something like 850 lbs total.
 
B61 mod 12/13 also gained weight despite loss of parachute from what I’ve read; something like 850 lbs total.
The B61-12 gained 74 lbs (B61-4 weighs 751 ± 15 pounds, B61-12 weighs 825 pounds).

The weight of the B61-13 has not been disclosed but it is likely similar (B61-7 weighs 763 ± 15 pounds, so perhaps the B61-13 may weigh 837 lbs?).

From:
the parachute is 180 lb
and the base design is already designed for penetration so no need for a special EPW version
the JDAM kit for Mk84 size is 120.37 lb (KMU-556/B guidance set)
Ah, I had forgotten about reading that. Good catch. The B83 uses a much larger and heavier parachute than the B61 though.

It is not designed for penetration, it is designed to survive high speed impacts without excessive movement. This is done by hardening the bomb and its components to handle the higher shocks, and by using a crushable nose that deforms under impact in order to prevent the bomb skidding away from the target point.

It is unclear how much the existing hardening would need to be improved in order to permit surviving 10,000 g impacts. All we really know is that it's supposedly significantly easier to modify it to achieve this than it would be to modify a B61-7 to achieve the same.

The existing nose and tail would need to be completely replaced to convert it to an EPW variant. The mid case may or may not need to be replaced. The components inside the mid case would likely need to be replaced or at least heavily modified if it is converted into a proper EPW.
 
First of is an EPW version really that necessary?
The B83 has a lot of omp for destroying a large area down to a certain depth. If enough damage around the entrance is affected it could make any attempt to dig out impossible.
It is unclear how much the existing hardening would need to be improved in order to permit surviving 10,000 g impacts. All we really know is that it's supposedly significantly easier to modify it to achieve this than it would be to modify a B61-7 to achieve the same.

The existing nose and tail would need to be completely replaced to convert it to an EPW variant. The mid case may or may not need to be replaced. The components inside the mid case would likely need to be replaced or at least heavily modified if it is converted into a proper EPW.
We do have penetrator upgrade examples with a simple replacement of the shell steel material. Depleted Uranium would be best in terms of queezzing as much mass as possible into limited volume. What would change now is moving the nose crunch area to the larger casing body. Increrasing nose material volume for penetration performance, increase tail mass to serve as a pusher.
 
First of is an EPW version really that necessary?
The B83 has a lot of omp for destroying a large area down to a certain depth. If enough damage around the entrance is affected it could make any attempt to dig out impossible.
With conventional nuclear weapons, the most you can hope for is damaging entrances. However you must have ironclad intelligence on the exact location of all entrances, and must not miss even a single entrance/exit (including emergency exits). Then even if you succeed in perfectly targeting and destroying all of them, the bunker will remain intact, and the people inside will still be able to survive and continue their duties (including prosecuting the war or authorizing follow-up nuclear strikes) for potentially weeks. Even worse, those destroyed tunnel entrances can be dug out given enough time, heavy machinery, and disposable workers.

From a functional military perspective, if you have a buried command bunker that you need to be destroyed, conventional nuclear weapons are painfully inadequate for this task unless the bunker is extremely shallowly buried and extremely poorly hardened.

Now what if you have an EPW? Not a piddly B61-11, but a proper RNEP, capable of deep penetration even in the most challenging soil conditions, precision targeting, and high blast yield? Then a single bomb can destroy the entire buried command complex in one hit, collapsing all of the buried tunnels and rooms, killing everyone inside, and destroying any infrastructure (or munitions) hidden inside the complex.

Yes, there are ways to armor buried command bunkers even against high-end EPWs, however the amount of time, money, and effort required makes these types of ultrasuperhardened command bunker complexes nearly impossible to construct even by the great power nations. We studied building one of these at one point, but ultimately decided against it because of the insane costs involved.

For an EPW version of the B83 with typical coupling factors, you can expect equivalent yields in the 18–30 megaton range. Let's call it 24 megatons.

I don't feel like rehashing the entire explanation for why EPWs are so much better than surface bursts for holding deeply buried targets at risk. It's long and complicated and I have far better uses for my time than hand-holding you through all of that. Instead, I'll refer you to the following chapter of the 2005 NAP report on EPWs. Please read it in full.


We do have penetrator upgrade examples with a simple replacement of the shell steel material. Depleted Uranium would be best in terms of queezzing as much mass as possible into limited volume. What would change now is moving the nose crunch area to the larger casing body. Increrasing nose material volume for penetration performance, increase tail mass to serve as a pusher.
Yes, and that kind of work is effectively what the SEPW/RNEP programs were focused on. The SEPW program is what did the initial work on building and testing several variants of the B83 that had been modified for EPW use. The same design concepts would have been reused in the RNEP program, and are likely to be reused yet again for this modern nuclear EPW program if the B83 is once again selected as the baseline warhead to use for said program. Even if the B83 is not selected, the same work done on the B61 for said programs will be reused. Of course further additional work will still be required beyond that as well.

A pusher is not necessarily required. The need for one strongly depends on the L/D of the penetrator. For the B61 this ended up being needed in the end. However the B83 may or may not need one.

The B83 is a very heavy bomb compared to the B61 (over three times the weight), so it already has plenty of mass in it to begin with.
 
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We do have penetrator upgrade examples with a simple replacement of the shell steel material. Depleted Uranium would be best in terms of queezzing as much mass as possible into limited volume. What would change now is moving the nose crunch area to the larger casing body. Increrasing nose material volume for penetration performance, increase tail mass to serve as a pusher.
DU casing would also increase the explosive yield.
 
DU casing would also increase the explosive yield.

I'm not sure it would increase the warhead's explosive-yield due to it being outside the warhead's radiation-case and having the wrong geometry however it would greatly increase the amount of nuclear fallout due to U-238 fast-fission and neutron-activation.
 
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Always felt the next step was shaped charge. Essentially using nuclear plasma jet to dig down.
That would require a different approach to delivery though.
 
Always felt the next step was shaped charge. Essentially using nuclear plasma jet to dig down.
That would require a different approach to delivery though.
Not really. Just a radar altimeter to fire at the correct distance (and IIRC that's a standard feature in the designs). We already have precision-guided nukes, we just have them point the shaped charge in the correct direction via "trajectory shaping"
 
Not really. Just a radar altimeter to fire at the correct distance (and IIRC that's a standard feature in the designs). We already have precision-guided nukes, we just have them point the shaped charge in the correct direction via "trajectory shaping"
There was a Scientific American article around 1987 I think about “Third Generation Nuclear Weapons” and directing blast might have been one of the possible designs. I’m going from memory.
 
There was a Scientific American article around 1987 I think about “Third Generation Nuclear Weapons” and directing blast might have been one of the possible designs. I’m going from memory.
Nuclear shaped charges date clear back to Project Orion. They're better known as "Casaba Howitzers"
 

Air Force test launches Minuteman III with multiple reentry vehicles​

Air Force Global Strike Command conducted an operational test launch Tuesday of an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile equipped with two test reentry vehicles.
 
Nice footage of a Yars/Topol?
 
They have gone to the well too often with that one

The Doomsday Clock—a symbolic device to signal an array of existential threats to the world since 1947—was recently moved to 85 seconds before midnight, the closest it has ever been to midnight. And that was before all-out war broke out in Iran.

The clock has long been subject to critics. Some have questioned its precision and called it showmanship. Others have described it as shaped by ideology.

But the first question we should ask of the Doomsday Clock is whether it fulfills its stated purpose: prompting transformative action to confront what are widely recognized as existential risks. It's been argued that
putting humanity on a permanent, blanket high alert isn't helpful when it comes to formulating policy or driving science.

Nukes
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTU10120Z8
 
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Someone can correct me but the clock was set to 8 minutes to midnight during the Cuban missile crisis.

So set today 85 seconds………
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Liberal Democrats rather anti-military spending in general?
Errrr....it's.....complicated.

I will avoid the temptation to get political as such. But they've tended to be anti-war, especially the likes of Iraq etc.
Though they supported Kuwaiti liberation and stopping Serbian aggression.
But tend to support defence.
Historically they were multilateral disarmament types who wanted nuclear weapons budgets to be spent on conventional systems.

So a more limited nuclear weapons budget was their compromise position for coalition deals.

Which makes this a major, though very European context shift.

Politically this is part of their moves to secure one of the main party positions after the coming bloodbath of Labour and Conservatives in the next election.
 

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