Competition of Ryan FR-1 Fireball

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Hi All!

forgotten competition of FR-1 Fireball

9 firms participated:
1) Ryan Model 28-------XFR-1
2) Grumman Design 57(G-57)
3) ? ?
4) ? ?
5) ? ?
6) ? ?
7) ? ?
8) ? ?
9) ? ?

That you can add ?
 

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Hi my friends!

ei, my friend hesham, Douglas Model 558--proposal of 1945 year and Model 592--proposal of 1943 ???
D-592 proposal since WWII.
Douglas could be respond competition of XFR-1---Douglas Model 4??

ei, my friend Apophenia Curtiss his Model 99 (later XF15C-1) not respond competition of XFR-1.
 

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Hi Nugo,

in the book of American fighters since 1917,they spoke about the
Curtiss XF15C-1 as intended to compete the Ryan XFR-1.
 

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Hi,


and may be the Goodyear GA-5 was submitted to this competition,which
was discovered by my dear Tailspin.
 

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hesham said:
Hi, and may be the Goodyear GA-5 was submitted to this competition,which
was discovered by my dear Tailspin.

The Ryan XFR-1 had already flown by the time the Goodyear submitted a proposal to BuAer in December 1944. I suspect that it was an unsolicited proposal, which was not uncommon.
 

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Thank you my dear Tailspin,


and for the Douglas D-592,it was not submitted to this tender.
 

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hesham said:
Thank you my dear Tailspin, and for the Douglas D-592, it was not submitted to this tender.

? The Douglas 592 was submitted against the 1948 VF interceptor requirement that was won by the McDonnell proposal of its Model 58 that became the F3H.
 

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Thank you my dear Tailspin,


but do you know the other contenders in This Ryan FR-1 competition ?.
 

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hesham said:
Thank you my dear Tailspin, but do you know the other contenders in This Ryan FR-1 competition ?.

I don't have anything with me that addresses the initiation of the Ryan FR-1 program and I didn't trip over any documents that described a competition in my my most recent visit to Archives II. I'll keep my eye out for it.
 

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Thank you my dear Tailspin,


and I suggest that,McDonnell Model-18J and Bell D-22 may be submitted to
this competition.
 

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My dear Tophe discovered this patent,

for Goodyear,and I suspect if it was GA-5,but we can't confirm it was submitted to this
contest.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=921710A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19470516&DB=fr.worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP
 

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Hi Folks

In Fighters Over the Fleet: Naval Air Defence from Biplanes to the Cold War (Friedman), there is mention of the Grumman G-67, an F7F-2 with an I-20 jet engine in each nacelle behind the radials. It was a proposal submitted to BuAir in August 1943, so the timing seems right.

Also appears here:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3149.msg25421.html#msg25421

Harry
 

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snark said:
In Fighters Over the Fleet: Naval Air Defence from Biplanes to the Cold War (Friedman), there is mention of the Grumman G-67, an F7F-2 with an I-20 jet engine in each nacelle behind the radials. It was a proposal submitted to BuAir in August 1943, so the timing seems right.

Yeah. And it was also described in the exact same manner in the old Docavia book "Les Avions Grumman". Surely a likely contender.
 

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Hi,

I saw on Net,a patent for mixed powered fighter,with inverted gull-wing shape,and it was never
mentioned in this thread,unfortunately I was searched in anther subject,so I didn't care,can anyone
help or remember me,what was it ?,and it was from early 1940s !.
 
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