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Cold war Submarine Aircraft Carriers Projects.

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"

Abraham Gubler said:
Extract from “Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines” by Norman Polmar and K.J. Moore (Potomac Books).
They had some odd errors:
1) The project was not called "Flying Carpet." The flying carpets were the turboject boosters to be used by the aircraft, not the subs themselves or the project as a whole.

2) The F11's were not meant for the AN-1, but instead for use on the USS Grayback submarine (a Regulus-launching sub). The AN-1 was designed for the VTOL aircraft, as seen in the drawings above.
 

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"

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that whole cormorant type thingy?
Yep.
 

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"

Nuclear Regulus sub design - could this also be used for the F11's?

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Barrington Bond said:
Unfortunately only got a 1955 copy of that Eagle book. Any chance of seeing that TV21 carrier - from Thunderbirds or Stingray strip?!?

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http://www.grahambleathman.co.uk/images/subaircraftcarriermed.jpg

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My favourite scene from the TV-series UFO, late '60s, early '70s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNHMz5lSTA
Everything we are looking for, a submarine aircraft carrier from
cold war times, just the enemy was different ... :D

But I never saw the fighter landing and coming back to its carrier ???
 

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AH! U.F.O. a TV show that greatly influenced my taste in design and probably my favourite TV show ever... apart from Dr Hwo and Babylon 5. Not really a topic for discussion in this thread though... :-[

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ohh yes the good old times of
Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet..., UFO, Space 1999 and Dr. Who

back to UFO SkyDive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyDiver
they never explane how the Plane get back to Sub.

most of mecha design in UFO is by Derek Meddings
 

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I think you're forgetting Mike Trim - he designed the Mobile, Moon Mobile, Moonbase, Seagull X-Ray, SID and an unused Interceptor design. Whereas Derek did Skydiver, Interceptor, Lunar-shuttle and carrier and the 6 wheel jeeps inherited from Journey To The Far Side Of The Sun.

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Ahem: Aerospace Projects Review has a 50+ page article on this concept... lots of detailed diagrams.

http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/ev1n6.htm
 

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Orionblamblam said:
Ahem: Aerospace Projects Review has a 50+ page article on this concept... lots of detailed diagrams.

http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/ev1n6.htm
I have read now ev1n6
the article on US Submarine Aircraft Carriers is fantastic !

thanks Scott
 

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And concepts keep emerging (no pun intended, but,... oh well). In 1965 RAND Corp studied a couple of concepts for submersible aircraft strategic penetrators as one of possible alternatives to AMSA.
 

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Skybolt said:
And concepts keep emerging (no pun intended, but,... oh well). In 1965 RAND Corp studied a couple of concepts for submersible aircraft strategic penetrators as one of possible alternatives to AMSA.
I briefly considered adding those to the APR article... but the sketches are so rudimentary, and the descriptions so at odds with what's actually show, that I decided agaisnt it. As far as I coudl tell, the Rand studies were not based on any actual engineering.
 

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Yep, normally RAND didn't engineer, they used work from contractors. Don't know if there were actual contractors' work on the submersible strategic penetrator study.
 

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If you are passionate of anime, also in "Macross Zero" appears a submarine aircraft carrier, and probably the people of "Studio Nue" that make mecha for anime series, know many things about these thinks , including the "Cold war submarine aircraft carrier projects" ;D
 

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airman said:
If you are passionate of anime, also in "Macross Zero" appears a submarine aircraft carrier, and probably the people of "Studio Nue" that make mecha for anime series, know many things about these thinks , including the "Cold war submarine aircraft carrier projects" ;D
And also one in the "Full Metal Panic" animes.
 

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starviking said:
airman said:
If you are passionate of anime, also in "Macross Zero" appears a submarine aircraft carrier, and probably the people of "Studio Nue" that make mecha for anime series, know many things about these thinks , including the "Cold war submarine aircraft carrier projects" ;D
And also one in the "Full Metal Panic" animes.
In the so-called "Alternate History" anime "Konpeki no Kantai", Japan the Superhero Nation used three of an improved version of I-400 submarines to sink the Big E (with torpedoes) and destroy the Panama Canal (with attacker floatplanes).
 

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Submarine LST
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_13/soviets_giants.html

Here a very very good preview of the book
"Cold War Submarines"
by Norman Polmar, Kenneth J. Moore
Please look here
http://books.google.com/

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For all those frustrated Skydiver fans who wanted to know how it docked, someone did it for you.... ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMN4Ef9JtzI&NR=1
 

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Soon shall the middle kingdom be gleefully avoiding the trespass of the foreign devils whose vexation the wonderful weapon shall cause to be great.

http://wuxinghongqi.blogspot.com/2009/06/chinese-navys-strategic-nuclear.html

Yes boys and girls, It's an aircraft carrying, submarine tending....boomer.

Of course, given how badly I tend to embarrass myself in Japanese ( and English for that matter)I should not make fun of bloggers grammar when he's posting in what to him is a very hard and alien language.....but the concept is a bit silly.

I should add that on the whole, that blog is actually interesting.
 

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And it is the fake, or better to say what-if design of some internet enthusiasts.

http://wuxinghongqi.blogspot.com/2009/06/user-originality-peoples-liberation.html
 

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Dynoman said:
A design study for Project HAZEL.

Interestingly a submarine launched version!

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP89B00709R000400830001-3.pdf
hesham said:
 

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Reminds me of these pre WW2 USN submarine designs where they stored the aircraft in a similar fashion:

 

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Probably more a Whiff than a real concept, but I still like this model. IRL it would be quite loud and heard by SOSUS just after leaving Poljarny. ;) B) ;D
arronlee33 said:
Russia Nuclear Aircraft Carrier Submarine Model Unveiled [1080p]
https://youtu.be/ya8oHIeV50s
Code:
https://youtu.be/ya8oHIeV50s
 

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In one of the 1950s Eagle Books on either Ships or aircraft there was a small
black and white drawing of a nuclear submarine launching a Buccaneer style
aircraft from its bow doors. Would love to find it. If I do I will come back.
 

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Being straight out of the Stingray TV show, wouldn't these be better suited for the Theoretical & Speculative Forum or some such? This is from the mind of Gerry Anderson and his crew, not actual aircraft designers or naval architects.
 

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So page 4:eek:f this post is fine with you then?
 

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uk 75 said:
Tom S
So page 4:eek:f this post is fine with you then?
Hoestly, no, it all seems very out of place in this thread. But I'm not going on a crusade here, just gently suggesting we try to keep things on-topic a bit.
 

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TomS said:
uk 75 said:
Tom S
So page 4:eek:f this post is fine with you then?
Hoestly, no, it all seems very out of place in this thread. But I'm not going on a crusade here, just gently suggesting we try to keep things on-topic a bit.
i second that

i propose we keep them for moment here under term "In popular culture"
 

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Cannot really see the problem as none of these things ever
came close to being built. But if you want tighter threads
I would suggest you specify which Cold War projects you have
in mind eg U S Navy or Soviet Navy
 

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I don't want to sound like an Aerospace Projects Review pirate and am only posting on a phone so getting my point across will be rather difficult but...does anyone know much about that really big submarine aircraft carrier with ~40 aircraft (I think?) posted there? Like, I guess the main thing I'm curious about is the displacement and other statistics. I can kinda get what's going on with that image and won't make a big fuss if I receive no other information.
 

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GWrecks said:
I don't want to sound like an Aerospace Projects Review pirate and am only posting on a phone so getting my point across will be rather difficult but...does anyone know much about that really big submarine aircraft carrier with ~40 aircraft (I think?) posted there? Like, I guess the main thing I'm curious about is the displacement and other statistics. I can kinda get what's going on with that image and won't make a big fuss if I receive no other information.
Well, it would be big, very big.

Predicting displacement is kinda difficult tho. But according to Norman Friedmann 's "Hybrid Warship" book. It quotes old Royal Navy Study on harrier carrier. every harrier needs 2000 ton of displacement. Assuming same figure for the aircraft. The hangar alone would equal to 80,000 metric tonne. The submarine carrier itself Thus can easily displace over 100,000 metric tonne.
 

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Those 2000 Ton displacement for each Harrier,

include the Hangar for the Harrier and its spare parts storage
also Tools and equipment needed for maintenance and Fuel & Ammunition for the Harrier mission
next to that, depending on Submarine design, comes per Harrier hangar one Airlock and its Hydraulic system
and launch system like sky crane, what add more to displacement mass.
 

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covert_shores said:
Finally, the Covert Shores article on AN-1. http://www.hisutton.com/USN_AN-1_Submarine_Aircraft_Carrier.html
Definite real aircraft project/ concept?
Hadn’t seen this in any source before (US Secret Project books, etc.) and I had thought (perhaps incorrectly) that submarine based manned aircraft were abandoned relatively early post war (prior to the Sea Dart but not entirely sure how the timelines match up).
If this isn’t the case would love to know more....
 

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