Breda CC-20/CC-2000/CC-3000

[Jan den Das]

who can help me with sources who give more information/details of the CC-2000 and CC-3000.
concerning these two I found only the information that is has to do with the total power of the engines.

please real sources and not he told that he told!!!!!

Thanks

 

[Jan den Das]

My information and conclusions.

1. CC-20/CC-2000/CC-3000
I think that some one could not read the number on the aeroplane well, its difficult to see, and makes a 2 instead of 3.
I have not find anything which proves the CC-2000 and I think we should forget it, because its a mistake (see later).

2. CC-20
Information from a G-2 report of the Military Attache of the American Embassy (later called report) of 19-12-1929.
This aeroplane was designed by General Arturo Crocco, Chief of the Enginering Division, Regia Aeronautica, assisted by Colonel Costanzi, an officer engineer of this Division. The designs were turned over to the Breda Company on the acount of their wide experience in metal constructions.
It was designed as Breda 20.

As other types mentioned as Breda and a number and no prefix and shown on the nose as Breda CC 20 and other types shows Breda Ba.15 etc., I made the following conclusion on the list of types after the Breda Ba.19 comes the Breda CC-20.

some other details from the report:
thickness of wing at fuselage 1 meter 40 cm, at tip 25 cm, to give an impression.
3x Asso 500 hp.
the armament, 8 machineguns on four positions, one behind the cockpit, one below the fuselage which can be lowered and two just beyond each outboard engine, they all have twin-machine guns.
the bombs should be carried on bombracks below the fuselage.

3. Pictures 1, 1a and 2, showed in its first form. It showed a radiator only beneath the engine and no turret.
1a gives also a good impression of the position of the bomb aimer.

4. Picture 3 gives a good impression of the new place of the radiator. picture 4 shows the changes of the nose and 5 an all impression.

5. Pictures 6 and 7 are interresting. The nose is Breda CC 20 and the radiators are still the same, but the turrets are removed and the bottom fuselage is changed and the bomb aimer place removed.

6. CC-3000. Les Ailes 24-04-1930 mentioned Breda "3.000"and later Breda C.C.-3.000. It is still powered by 3 IF Asso 500 hp (CC-2000 no other engines!!!!!!) it could be armament with 6 machine guns and one Oerlikon 20 mm, and it should have a maximum range of 3.000 km.

I THINK 3000 km and CC-3000???

But if you see pictures 8 and 9 fuselage the same as picture 6 and 7 but the radiator behind the engines smaller but beneath the engines an extra radiator.

Why all these changes?????

If this aeroplane had good performances and an inside bombbay the Regia Aeronautica had an Flying Fortress (note writer)

(sorry but I am not a big writer)

 

[carlo961]

Dear Jan,
where it is possible to retrieve the G-2 report of the Military Attache of the American Embassy dated 19-12-1929 ?
I consulted many sources, but the technical data about CC.20 are very scarce. For example, the wing area is unknown.
Thank you
Carlo

 

[lucamax]

Dear,
I'm looking for a 3-view drawings of the Breda CC. 20: can someone help me?
I searched on the internet for a long time, but nothing...
I asked even to Breda Cultural Association, but nothing even here...
Pleas help me...
Cheers.

 

[carlo961]

Hesham, I saw many years ago (1977) a scale model of Breda C.C.20 at Museo Nazionale della Scienza e della Tecnica in Milan. The model was big, more than one meter of wing span and well detailed. I do not know if the model is currently exhibited in the museum or is in storage as I suspect, please refer to the file attached, coming from the museum website

 

[hesham]

Hesham, I saw many years ago (1977) a scale model of Breda C.C.20 at Museo Nazionale della Scienza e della Tecnica in Milan. The model was big, more than one meter of wing span and well detailed. I do not know if the model is currently exhibited in the museum or is in storage as I suspect, please refer to the file attached, coming from the museum website

Many thanks to you dear Carlo963,and the problem is; we don't
know the Breda designation for this aircraft ?.

 

[carlo961]

Hesham, I don’t know the exact Breda designation for this aircraft (Breda 20, or Breda CC 3000, Breda CC20).

Anyway, here below I tried to classify the pictures posted by Jan den Das, and found interesting things:

Pictures 1,1a,2 “Breda CC20”. Three blade metallic propellers (all pictures), only belly turret (picture 2), year 1932 (note: picture 2 taken at Roma-Littorio airport during the “Giornata dell’Ala”, May 27th, 1932).

Pictures 3,4,5 “Breda CC20”. Two blade wooden propellers, dorsal and belly turrets, year 1930 (picture 3 taken at Roma-Littorio airport during the “Giornata dell’Ala" on June 08th, 1930, other two probably at Roma-Ciampino airport).

Pictures 6,7 “Breda 20” (in picture 7 it is possible to note the marking "Breda 20"). Two blade wooden propellers, no turrets at all, late 1929 or early 1930 (pictures very likely taken at Breda works, Sesto San Giovanni, after roll-out or early tests).

Pictures 8,9 “Breda CC 3000”. Two blade wooden propellers, no turrets at all, taken at Breda works, Sesto San Giovanni, perhaps in early months of 1930 (note: similar photos appeared in “Les Ailes” dated April 24th, 1930, as here attached to this post).

 

[carlo961]

Please find attached a startling (at least for me...) CC.20 photograph appeared on e-bay yesterday (and unfortunately quickly disappeared), that contains several interesting details, here below summarized:

- the aircraft is apparently under repair, since there is a wooden supporting structure under the fuselage nose and right side wing, that seems to have a damaged undercarriage leg;

- external radiators clearly visible in Picture 9 (and also in the photograph published by ‘Les Ailes’) had been repositioned under each engine front, faired within an air intake. This detail was present also in Picture 3 and, even smaller, in Picture 5, but was not clearly recognizable;

- undercarriage main wheel seems considerably smaller in diameter than the wheel shown in Picture 3;

- there is a “rough” flat, rectangular cowling on fuselage engine side under the exhausts, it has no cooling air outlets, as these shown in Pictures 4 and 5;

- note the “gull-wing” type access doors on each side of pilot’s compartment (one of these barely visible also in the photograph published by ‘Les Ailes);

- there are two opened, hinged inspection panels below the left wing and engine and another (far more smaller) above the wing, near the engine. These panels are similar to those then adopted on smaller Breda 32.

Finally, please note that the second standing man from left, in civilian clothes, very likely is Ing. Antonino Parano, designer of Breda 64 and 65, that joined Breda during Breda CC.20 construction and development.