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I have seen some info on Boeing's contender for the requirement eventually met by the Convair B58. It seems to be a much more conventional design similar to the Russian TU16 with swept wing and embedded engines. Anyone got any pictures or drawings?
 

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Stumbled across an old book in PDF format a while back that has everything from the first B-1 to the B-70, doesn't miss a single one, and has a few extras too. Enjoy. :)
 

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Ahhh, Lloyd S. Jone's book! I found a copy at a local used bookstore for dirt cheap, got home and found it had been signed by Lloyd Jones himself. Nice little find.

The Aerofax book by Jay Miller also gives more details on the Boeing design. Windtunnel pictures in that book show a floating canard on a boom ahead of the nose, though.
 

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Lloyd S. Jones indeed... those were the days..

Gentlemen , can you tell me, what are the extra's in the Pdf file?
what is the title of the Aeofax - Jay Miller book mentioned ?

Thanks.
 

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'Convair B-58 Hustler ' Aerofax - Jay Miller I presume.

There must be a whole lot of Boeing XB-59 design variants.
I wonder If someone of the members haves more in his files.
 

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Check your email box Lark ;)
 

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overscan said:
Scott needs to save something for his Bomber book ;D

Here's a small sampling. I've many dozens of B-59 drawings that I haven't dealt with yet.

 

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Mailbox checked Pometabla.

I could have known Orionblam's answer :D
 

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Here is the Boeing Model 701-333 from "Boeing Aircraft Since...."

Notice the B-47 style canopy and podded engines.

I'm not sure what the specific model number (701-???) is for the proposal at the beginning of the thread, or whether the wing-root engine location came before or after this podded engine proposal?
 

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I have always wondered when or if any of the Boeing Model 701/"XB-59" proposals transitioned from the J-73 to the more powerful J-79, which the eventual B-58 used?

As I recollect, GE derived the J-73 from the J-47, and the J-79 was the eventual replacement for the J-73?
 

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TinWing said:
I'm not sure what the specific model number (701-???) is for the proposal at the beginning of the thread

That would be the 701-299-1.

or whether the wing-root engine location came before or after this podded engine proposal?

The -299 came afterwards. The 701-273 used essentially the same fuselage as the 299, but had podded wings.

There was a lot of intermix between the model numbers. the B-47 was the Model 450-xyz, and several of these were supersonic variants very similar to the 701-333. There was also the Model 484, which preceded but was often identical to many of the 701 designs. Some seaplane variants.

The weirdest of the B-59 designs was the 701-273-xyz series. Quite oddball desgins.
 

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Hi,

but the finally design to XB-59 was Boeing Model-709,as I know.
 

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Orionblamblam said:
That would be the 701-299-1.

Wow! Thanks for the blue print, although I am confused by what appears to a refueling probe on the nose? Only TAC used this refueling method?
 

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Re: Boeing XB 59 (Hustler alternative) and various Model 701 iterations

I've got circa three NACA papers on tthe XB-59 with different configurations studied. I have to find them out, but I remember that two was illustrated in Miller's B-58, the one with singly-podded engines and the one with double-engined pods.
 

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Found. For everyone interested, relevant report numbers are NACA RM L52J17 and RM L53F05 both from February 1956.
 

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Photos are perhaps more explicative...
 

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The -299 came afterwards. The 701-273 used essentially the same fuselage as the 299, but had podded wings.

There was a lot of intermix between the model numbers. the B-47 was the Model 450-xyz, and several of these were supersonic variants very similar to the 701-333. There was also the Model 484, which preceded but was often identical to many of the 701 designs. Some seaplane variants.

The weirdest of the B-59 designs was the 701-273-xyz series. Quite oddball desgins.

Sorry I am way late to the party, any chance of other views of these 701- designs?
 

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hesham mentioned the "Model 709" as being the final B-59 design. Could anyone confirm this, as I have never found anything about a "Model 709" besides a mention in Richard K. Smith's archives listing.
 

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Report NACA-RM-SL52J17 (mentioned by Skybolt above)

http://hdl.handle.net/2060/20090024216
 
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