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That's a problem with that site, I think, that otherwise holds a lot of information about
real project. But for all those not speaking/reading Russian, it's hard to differentiate.
Perhaps one of our native Russian speakers can give a clue ?
 

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igor-mich said:
Well, carefully read as called site alternathistory.org.ua. Here the guys fantasize and this is not a historical fact and fiction.

Not as simple as that, igor-mich, and that's the problem. The site in question has pages that are pure fantasy and others which contain accurate historical information... and unless you read Russian fluently it's often hard to tell which are which...
 

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All historical information on this website you can find more reliable sources. There is no exclusive information.
 

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Maybe you can find - but, some of us have more trouble finding information (especially the rarer kinds or ones in some languages) ;D
 

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flateric said:
Little bit more on -107 and -117

So weird,in anther Russian book about Bartini,this artist drawing to a Project T-200 and not for T-107
or T-117,who we can believe my dear Flateric ?.

великий бартини воланд советской авиации
 

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hesham said:
I can't translate this Russian language for that project.
http://www.navylabs.ru/avia/bartini/

This Project called T-14.
 

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Re: Unknown Bartini projects

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Development of some VVA-14 variants

That is a fascinating set of development studies!

This is my current understanding of what was planned by the mid-1970s:

- 14M1 initial prototype as built (2 cruise engines, inflatable floats)

- 14M2 planned VTOL lift jet prototype (2 cruise engines, augmented by 12 lift jets, inflatable floats)

- 14M1P rebuilt M1 prototype now as a WIG aircraft (2 cruise engines, augmented by 2 takeoff engines, steel floats). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears the fuselage was lengthened as well.


Production versions would include:
- A folding wing/tail ship born version (for use on the Project 1123 or converted merchant aircraft carriers)
- A transport version (32 people or 5000kg to 3300km)
- A search and rescue version (3 additional crew, 6 stretchers and 9 more evacuees, medical facilities and a motor launch).
- An astronaut and submariner retrieval variant of the search and rescue version (VVA-14PS).
- A version with a 200m-300m antenna (not sure about this?).
- A version with the polus anti-submarine complex which would engage submarines at 200 km (I assume this would attempt to hit ballistic missile submarines as they were launching their weapons?).

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
 

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Re: Unknown Bartini projects

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Some drawings from technical description of Bartini A-2500 ekranoplane

length - 183 м
width - 129 м
height - 48 м

Hello my friend,
I'm a new user in this forum. I'm building a scale model of this WIG carrier designed by Bartini. Where did you find these plans? There are more of them? I really need more references of this monster. Tnak you!
 

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Welcome aboard Gabrielorosco,

for my dear Ucon,he got it from Bartini/Beriev archive,and I will search to you in my files
about high quality of A-57 drawing.
 

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Thank you so much! I'm planning to build a large scale model of this bomber, and with good references I can make a better work. Thanks!
 

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Hi Gabrielorosco,

here is all I have about Bartini A-57 and F-57.
 

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Hi! F-57.
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecured.cu%2FBartini_F-57&sandbox=1
Bartini F-57 (Russian: Бартини Ф-57) - Frontier bomber project of 1957 . The priority given by the country's leadership to the development of ballistic missiles resulted in the cancellation of the project. A development was also conceived as a reconnaissance aircraft under the name R-57 .

"History
With the lack of success of the A-57 strategic plane and the medium-range Ye-57 , and taking into account the recommendations of the GKAT scientific-technical council, Bartini decided to develop a less ambitious project in the form of the F- amphibious frontal bomber -57 of 25 tons of weight. The F-57 was developed was developed in the same year 1957 in the OKB -256 directed by Tsybin
The calculations showed that using two VK-13 turbojets calculated for 10000 kg of thrust this aircraft could fly at a speed of 2500 km / h and a distance of not less than 2800 km, maintaining a landing speed of only 260 km / h. With additional fuel the range could increase to 4100 km.
The aircraft, like its predecessors, featured a skid landing gear consisting of a central unit located below the fuselage along the longitudinal axis and two additional units located at the bottom of the vertical empties.
The Bartini F-57 was able to load 1500 kg of pumps in a composition of 10 pumps of 100 kg or a pump of 1500 kg.
One of the GKAT documents specified that the aircraft more than fully covered all the characteristics demanded by the VVS for a frontal exploration aircraft. Factory No.30 was chosen to prepare the production of the F-57 . It seemed that this time, eventually, everything would mesh. But soon the situation changed radically. The country's top management took the decision to cut back the armed forces, which also affected the SVVs and decided to give priority to coheteril development. Under these conditions the F-57 project was closed.
Technical specifications
(Calculated data)
• Function : Front Bomber
• Year : 1957
• Power plant : two VK-13 turbojets of 10000 kg of unitary thrust
• Accommodation : 1 crew
• DIMENSIONS ◦ Wingspan : 12.9 m
◦ Length : 26.6 m
• Take-off weight : 25000 kg
• Maximum speed : 3000 km / h
◦ Maximum range : 3800 - 4100 km
◦ Practical roof : 22 - 25000 m
◦ Take-off run : 900 m
• Armament: 1500 kg of bombs in a composition of 10 pumps of 100 kg or a pump of 1500 kg. "
 

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Hi! Medium strategic bomber E-57.
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftestpilot.ru%2Frussia%2Fbartini%2Fe%2F57%2Fe57.htm&sandbox=1

Three side view.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=46699;image
 

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Hi!
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftestpilot.ru%2Frussia%2Fbartini%2Fa%2F57%2Fa57.htm&sandbox=1

"Following this, in 1958, proposals were made on nuclear Sea bomber A-58."

A-58 three side view by borovik-san.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=119997;image

Bottom picture source
http://imperiiia.com/2015/05/su-27-luchshij-v-mire-istrebitel.html

Nuclear reactor is like this?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16450.0;attach=573341;image
 

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Hi! A-55.
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecured.cu%2FBartini_A-55&sandbox=1

"The project was presented in 1955 as a proposal for a mid-range supersonic bombardment hydroplane. The denomination A-55 was proposed where the figures represented in year of presentation of the project. The selection of the hydrokinea configuration allowed for the replenishment of the apparatus on the ocean near enemy coasts, from surface ships or submarines. On the other hand, the hydro-jet configuration made it possible to eliminate the need for airports prepared for the long take-off and landing races of a supersonic device, otherwise very vulnerable to the attacks of enemy wear. "

Ucon-san's contribution.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=63442;image

Another site. Chapter 8 How to conquer America?
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fmilitary.wikireading.ru%2F21616&sandbox=1

"The first version of the A-55 had canards and discharged after takeoff chassis truck. In the process of refining the look of this car on the wheels refused, replacing them with skis and betting on the amphibious version.Amphibian A-55 can take off and land on the water surface, the snow and ice, allowing it to operate from airfields in forward-based, prepared in the Arctic drifting ice floes. "

Interesing bottom picture(by Bartini?) source.
http://ruskaljetopis.hr/info.phtml?c=13&id=380
 

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A hypothetical airplane by Bartini.

http://bezogr.ru/aktualenoste-temi.html
 

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In my files,

in early 1950s,Mr Bartini had a Project for intercontinental bomber,but no more
details are known ?,it was not related to A55 & A57.
 

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In my files,

there was a Project for VVA-14,with retractable floats,was that right ?.
 

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Depends on how one defines "retractable", I guess. The VVA-14M1 had "inflatable" floats.
Is this what you refer to?
 

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Thank you Dan,

but it had a different way as I think,and it was a Project only.
 

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Yes, there was a second VVA-14 configuration with floats on telescopic struts and conventional stepped windscreen.
A model is illustrated in Sergey Komissarov's Russia's Ekranoplans, Red Star Volume 8.
 

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From le Fana 293,

here is some Batini aircraft and Projects,the mystery in picture # 3,and whole known
airplanes from him is in # 4.
 

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why Bartin locked up his projects
whether they are really so advanced?
 

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robertino said:
why Bartin locked up his projects
whether they are really so advanced?

I think it so far from realism and Mythical.
 

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From the september issue of M-Hobby
 

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Amazing find my dear Sienar,

and the T-118 is new for me.
 

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What is being depicted in bartinit t210 usb.png?

Also, source?
 

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Avimimus said:
What is being depicted in bartinit t210 usb.png?

Also, source?

Boundary layer control. I listed the source in my post.
 

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http://fantastic-plastic.com/bartini-a-57-bomber---catalog.html




 

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ucon said:
Fantastic plastic is really fantastic - pure 100% fake. For children only.

Thank you for clarify us my dear Ucon.
 

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Just compare
A-57 cross-section from technical descriptin.

From forscoming Bartini Aircraft Vol. 1-4

Best regards to all.
 

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ucon said:
Just compare
A-57 cross-section from technical descriptin.

From forscoming Bartini Aircraft Vol. 1-4

Best regards to all.

Wow,oh my God,it will be great,thanks.
 

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