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ucon said:
Hi, Retrofit)
This photo circulates from my archiev, so if you need big sized just let me know.
Best regards
Ooops, sorry ucon! I didn't know about its origin.

What final status was reached by this incredible project?
 

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Round the world (via both Poles) record aircraft. 1945-1947 project.
Do you mean a round-the-World record without stop, decades before the Voyager?
Wonderful twin-boomer anyway, thanks! ;D
 

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Amazing project! It looks like it could be Burt Rutan's brainchild, not like a 65-year-old design! Just love it.
 

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Bartini E-57 supersonic jet-liner. 1957. E means Europe.
Compare with Heinkel-211B-1 four years later.
Source: technical description of E-57.
 

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Thanks Ucon for having revealed it. Now, I can show the drawing I made of it:

(for my Web site about twin-boomers 1939-45 http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/update_FG.htm
, as the first drawing seems dated 1945 even if the project continued till 1947)
 

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@ucon,

please give us some more details on this book/brochure:
 

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My dear Ucon,


could you please tell us about the project T-20,I think it was WIG aircraft,and if you have any drawing
to Bartini T-203 variable swept wing aircraft.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.
I'm afraid that's the T-107, not the T-117. Here's a better version of it:
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
hesham said:
Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.
I'm afraid that's the T-107, not the T-117. Here's a better version of it:

May be Stargazer.
 

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Yep, I´m with Stargazer2006: It´s the T.107 ;)
 

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Star.. is closest I think.

The 117 design had a tripple horizontal lobe fuselage.
 

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Yeah, and the 107 designation wasn't my own speculation, anyway... it was the caption to the image from the original Russian magazine in which I found it.
 

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At the beginning of this thread on the first page is the answer to your riddle. This T-117, which was the building but due to lack of engines was not up in the air
 

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igor-mich said:
At the beginning of this thread on the first page is the answer to your riddle. This T-117, which was the building but due to lack of engines was not up in the air
I'm afraid you misread the first post. What is said there is clear:

T-107 - 1945 passenger airliner
T-117 Kit (Whale)- 1947 military transport project
As the image clearly shows a passenger transport, it can only be the T-107...
 

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Are you familiar with the notion of a multi-purpose aircraft. So in the construction of a transport version and had the T-117. The figure is one of the variants of T-117
 

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See : Flateric's post in the first page of this thread
and compare...
 

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Very nice ucon, as usual...

This "2500" was studied while under Beriev, right? But are the more recent Be-2500 proposals related to the Bartini KB in any way?
 

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ucon said:
Beriev 2500 and Bartini 2500 are not equal, Stargazer))
I know that! Allow me to rephrase my question:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Some Bartini projects were developed while Bartini worked for Beriev. Did Beriev develop the "2500" when he was still at Beriev, and can it be considered both as a Bartini AND a Beriev? Or was it developed after that?*
[*]Is the current Be-2500 (which is also a WIG) derived in any way from Bartini's work?
[/list]
 

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1. А-500, A-2000, A-2500 were startarted in Novossibirsk, then continue in Ukhtomka and OKB-86
2. Yes
 

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ucon said:
Bartini E-57 supersonic jet-liner. 1957. E means Europe.
Compare with Heinkel-211B-1 four years later.
Source: technical description of E-57.
Dear ucon,
Was this E-57 supersonic jet-liner equiped with a delta wing without tailplane? (it is difficult to see on the photo)
 

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Dear Retrofit,
yes, you are right.
Hope to provide soon some more info o this project
 

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ucon said:
Some not well-known Bartini porojects from early 70-ies
Thank you, ucon. Any chance of having the designations/descriptions to those numbers?
 

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These are amazing; big thanks Ucon.
 

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Development of some VVA-14 variants

Very cool my dear Ucon,thank you.
 

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Very nice Models my dear Ucon.
 

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Some amazing models here, ucon... Are they part of a museum's collection?
 

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Only ucon would know for sure... but he doesn't seem to be roaming the forum much these days... :(
 
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