BAe Tempest and other pre-GCAP studies

Anyways, In light of the 2 programs now being merged, will there be a new thread about the GCAP, or will discussions about it continue to happen here and in the F-X thread?
 
Cacodemon said:
Anyways, In light of the 2 programs now being merged, will there be a new thread about the GCAP, or will discussions about it continue to happen here and in the F-X thread?
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I'm discussing it with the other mods on how to move forward
my personal belief is that this thread and the FX one be moved to unbuilt projects section, as it will now never be built in those forms, but serves as an important note in aviation history
and that the joint UK-JP-IT aircraft have a new dedicated thread here to avoid duplication that is ongoing.
 
helmutkohl said:
I'm discussing it with the other mods on how to move forward
my personal belief is that this thread and the FX one be moved to unbuilt projects section, as it will now never be built in those forms, but serves as an important note in aviation history
and that the joint UK-JP-IT aircraft have a new dedicated thread here to avoid duplication that is ongoing.
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That would be sensible helmutkohl, having the Tempest and FX threads moved to the unbuilt section of the forum would make sense and keep the GCAP thread in Aviation and Space.
 
helmutkohl said:
Cacodemon said:
Anyways, In light of the 2 programs now being merged, will there be a new thread about the GCAP, or will discussions about it continue to happen here and in the F-X thread?
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I'm discussing it with the other mods on how to move forward
my personal belief is that this thread and the FX one be moved to unbuilt projects section, as it will now never be built in those forms, but serves as an important note in aviation history
and that the joint UK-JP-IT aircraft have a new dedicated thread here to avoid duplication that is ongoing.
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FighterJock said:
helmutkohl said:
I'm discussing it with the other mods on how to move forward
my personal belief is that this thread and the FX one be moved to unbuilt projects section, as it will now never be built in those forms, but serves as an important note in aviation history
and that the joint UK-JP-IT aircraft have a new dedicated thread here to avoid duplication that is ongoing.
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That would be sensible helmutkohl, having the Tempest and FX threads moved to the unbuilt section of the forum would make sense and keep the GCAP thread in Aviation and Space.
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I agree. At the point, the Tempest and F-X are now fully merged, so a new thread should be in place. Just notify me if it's made, I'd love to discuss more there.
 
zen said:
You have seen the list of weaponry supposed to be integrated into JSF?
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My points are more that there is no nefarious plan, prioritisation works differently, the UK is not at the back of the queue, and the UK doesn't have no access
 
Dagger said:
The only fighter project that survives will be the European SCAF, not the English Tempest.
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The English Tempest is about as much a factor in the future fighter market as the Texan F-35.
Hood said:
138 feels like a fantasy - why would the RAF/FAA need 138 V/STOL jets given we only have two carriers
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In a white room with unlimited defence budgets, 138 is about right to give both carriers a full air wing plus the necessary aircraft for training, maintenance & attrition. Obviously that's never going to happen, but it would swallow up virtually the UK's entire stated F-35B requirement.
zen said:
You have seen the list of weaponry supposed to be integrated into JSF?
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I suspect red admiral has seen, or is at least aware of, a lot more in this domain than is appropriate for this forum.
 
red admiral said:
zen said:
You have seen the list of weaponry supposed to be integrated into JSF?
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My points are more that there is no nefarious plan, prioritisation works differently, the UK is not at the back of the queue, and the UK doesn't have no access
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Not grasping my point.
Not nefarious, just business. US politics and lobbying intrude. Pretence they don't is the path to disappointment.

There is a queue, and while we and others and various arms of the US military have various weaponry in that queue. Anything new is not guaranteed to be anywhere but at the back of that queue without a host of 'costs' unrelated to the weapon in question.
 
Even if it was UK only there would still be a queue because of limited people and facilities. Not to mention the cost of doing so.
 
It takes UK to embark on a joint program with Japanese and Italians to get a nice looking fighter design.

Point noted.
 
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Tempest Stealth Fighter Flying Demonstrator Takes Shape

For the first time, we have gotten a look at the Flying Technology Demonstrator that will feed into the Tempest fighter program. For the first time, we have gotten a look at the Flying Technology Demonstrator that will feed into the Tempest fighter program.
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GTX said:
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Tempest Stealth Fighter Flying Demonstrator Takes Shape

For the first time, we have gotten a look at the Flying Technology Demonstrator that will feed into the Tempest fighter program. For the first time, we have gotten a look at the Flying Technology Demonstrator that will feed into the Tempest fighter program.
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The historical significance of this Tempest demonstrator will largely depend on whether it’s powered by existing EJ200 engines or something more novel and on the scale of the Japanese IHI XF9? Japanese entry into GCAP has been the most encouraging development so far, with the XF9-1 prototype program as a worthy point of departure for collaboration with Roll Royce. I can’t remember any recent news on the XF9 and I haven’t seen anything concrete about a Rolls Royce equivalent in the same size and thrust class? Just bragging about the rapid development of a subscale concept turbofan? For all I know, Rolls Royce might be quite far along in the development of a suitable modern turbofan?
 
TinWing said:
The historical significance of this Tempest demonstrator will largely depend on whether it’s powered by existing EJ200 engines or something more novel and on the scale of the Japanese IHI XF9? Japanese entry into GCAP has been the most encouraging development so far, with the XF9-1 prototype program as a worthy point of departure for collaboration with Roll Royce. I can’t remember any recent news on the XF9 and I haven’t seen anything concrete about a Rolls Royce equivalent in the same size and thrust class? Just bragging about the rapid development of a subscale concept turbofan? For all I know, Rolls Royce might be quite far along in the development of a suitable modern turbofan?
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It's already confirmed as using 2 x EJ200. Remember the Demonstrator is a UK programme.
 
timmymagic said:
It's already confirmed as using 2 x EJ200. Remember the Demonstrator is a UK programme.
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I’d imagine U.K./RR have high confidence in developing whatever is required by the airframe, presumably high efficiency in non-afterburner state. It’s the airframe with stealth plus the sensors and sw that the demonstrator will demonstrate. Similar to eap route, again shows high confidence in the route planned.
 

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