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Norwegian CV90s (STING, SPV, Multivogn, OPV and STRILED):

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helmutkohl said:
the CV-90 is doing extremely well in exports! being preferred by quite a few European armies over the IFVs from bigger manufacturers in France, Germany and the UK! is it that good?
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Only in Europe. Not so well outside of Europe.
 
GTX said:
helmutkohl said:
the CV-90 is doing extremely well in exports! being preferred by quite a few European armies over the IFVs from bigger manufacturers in France, Germany and the UK! is it that good?
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Only in Europe. Not so well outside of Europe.
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It is pretty compact, which has its pros and cons. It does well on soft ground or snow, and you have some good options for what you want to use in the turret.
 
helmutkohl said:
isayyo2 said:
From Reuters

Defence Minister Jana Cernochova said the country wanted 24 F-35s, and talks should be concluded by October next year.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...v-90-fighting-vehicles-media-says-2022-07-20/
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the CV-90 is doing extremely well in exports! being preferred by quite a few European armies over the IFVs from bigger manufacturers in France, Germany and the UK! is it that good?
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Also I notice Slovakia has opted for it as well very recently.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...cks-cv90-in-infantry-fighting-vehicle-tender/
 
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Forest Green said:
https://www.armyrecognition.com/wea...tank_with_a_weight_of_fewer_than_40_tons.html
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Dare I say "...offering firepower and mobility of a Main Battle Tank (MBT) but without the armour protection of one". It could be interesting ion something such as this was fitted with something such as Iron Fist hard-kill active protection system as its primary defensive measure and thus be conventionally armoured for nothing more than say a 30mm cannon round.
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PL-01 (basically a CV-90120 in fancy dress) was about that: NATO STANAG 4569 Annex A Level 5+ (roughly 30mm APDS) across the frontal arc plus an APS that sure looked like Iron Fist.
 
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I was thinking at MuM type of operation with loyal wingman robot tanks. That way, the heavy turret can be decoupled from the heavy armor protecting and hosting tank operators.

You'd gain dynamic performances (on both ends of the system) , range and missiles carrying ability while lessening crew exposure. Directed datalink, even from an overflying micro-drone acting as data relay, should remain robust against jamming.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1pWUTp29w8

https://www.rt.com/russia/580812-swedish-cv90-unimpressive-russia/
Mordvichev noted that the Swedish-made vehicle, which has been in service since 1993, resembles a tank. However, the one captured by the Russian troops was defeated by a “simple and cheap” RPG-7, a shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenade launcher that has been in use since the 1960s.

“The vehicle was stopped with the tool of our grandfathers,” the commander said.

The donated armor also lacked spare parts and tools for field repair, but did have a kit to indicate an emergency stop, Mordvichev told the minister.

The CV90 is quite tall, making it a relatively easy target, and its main weapon has a relatively low rate of fire because of its reloading mechanism, according to the Russian military.

The vehicle captured by the Russian troops appears to be armed with the Bofors 40/70 autocannon. It fires 40mm cartridges, which are fed through a magazine that has three separate compartments for three different ammunition types, with total capacity of 24 rounds. The magazine is loaded manually.
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TomcatViP said:
Remotely operated non armored tank would make sense. Just add an APS.
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So, not a TANK then? Not armoured is not a tank. Unmanned is a UACV. Running that sort of thing remotely is as been stated a mission to madness. You cannot recover damaged units and the C&C alone would be a nightmare.

There has been much research done on the use/deployment of support/ant tank vehicels/recce vehicles and they usually come out as MORE vulnerable when given larger weaponry. Not much value in that when your investment is an oily smoke pillar somewhere on the FEBA.

We do need to consider the recce and support roles and the format of the tank and other AFV but that monstrosity, 'aint the solution.
 
we've been seeing variants with either the 105 or 120 gun for years, yet it doesn't seem like anyone has had much interest in them.

I can't think of too many tracked IFVs with a tank like turret. Maybe the Filipino Sabrah which is built on the ASCOD?
 
helmutkohl said:
we've been seeing variants with either the 105 or 120 gun for years, yet it doesn't seem like anyone has had much interest in them.

I can't think of too many tracked IFVs with a tank like turret. Maybe the Filipino Sabrah which is built on the ASCOD?
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Relatively common with the wheeled ones, though: Centauro B1 and Centauro 2 add up to about 850 built, AMX-10RC (464, being replaced by EBRC), ERC-90 (379, 90mm), VBC-90 (34, 90mm, retired), SIBMAS (Belgium, 90mm, 162 for Malaysia), Pindad Badak (Indonesia, 14, 90mm), (Type 16 (Japan, 142), Rooikat (South Africa, 240, 76mm), Ratel-90 (South Africa, 90mm, ?), PTL-02 (China, 100mm, ? for Myanmar), Type 11/ZTL-11 (China, 105mm, 1,250), PLL-05 (China, 120mm gun-mortar, 500+), Type-07P (China, 120mm gun-mortar, 18+12 for Cameroon and Tanzania), 2S9 Nona (Russia, 120mm gun-mortar, c1,000) and M1128 (142, withdrawn).

For tracked vehicles in the direct fire-support/light tank category, if not all actually IFV based, you've got the TAM-2C (Argentina, 105mm), Type 15/ZT-5 (China, 560+), Type 89 (China, c100 or c230, 120mm, retired 2015), ZTD-05 (China, 830), Zorawar (India, in trials, 354 to 700 required), AMX-10PAC 90 (90mm, 10 for Indonesia) and Harimau (Turkey/Indonesia, 18+8 for Indonesia), 2S25 Sprut-SD (24?), PT-71/PT-76(M) (Russia, modified by Israel, 90mm, Indonesia), BMP-3M (100mm, c1,000) BMD-4M (100mm, 200), PT-85 (North Korea, 85mm, 560 PT-76/PT-85). Plus the now retired Swedish IKV-91 (90mm, 212), the M8 Buford (6, Cancelled) M10 Booker (26?, cancelled), and the remaining hordes of PT-76 (Russia, 76.2mm). In several cases they may not be based on IFVs, but there are IFVs based on them.
 
DWG said:
Relatively common with the wheeled ones, though: Centauro B1 and Centauro 2 add up to about 850 built, AMX-10RC (464, being replaced by EBRC), ERC-90 (379, 90mm), VBC-90 (34, 90mm, retired), SIBMAS (Belgium, 90mm, 162 for Malaysia), Pindad Badak (Indonesia, 14, 90mm), (Type 16 (Japan, 142), Rooikat (South Africa, 240, 76mm), Ratel-90 (South Africa, 90mm, ?), PTL-02 (China, 100mm, ? for Myanmar), Type 11/ZTL-11 (China, 105mm, 1,250), PLL-05 (China, 120mm gun-mortar, 500+), Type-07P (China, 120mm gun-mortar, 18+12 for Cameroon and Tanzania), 2S9 Nona (Russia, 120mm gun-mortar, c1,000) and M1128 (142, withdrawn).

For tracked vehicles in the direct fire-support/light tank category, if not all actually IFV based, you've got the TAM-2C (Argentina, 105mm), Type 15/ZT-5 (China, 560+), Type 89 (China, c100 or c230, 120mm, retired 2015), ZTD-05 (China, 830), Zorawar (India, in trials, 354 to 700 required), AMX-10PAC 90 (90mm, 10 for Indonesia) and Harimau (Turkey/Indonesia, 18+8 for Indonesia), 2S25 Sprut-SD (24?), PT-71/PT-76(M) (Russia, modified by Israel, 90mm, Indonesia), BMP-3M (100mm, c1,000) BMD-4M (100mm, 200), PT-85 (North Korea, 85mm, 560 PT-76/PT-85). Plus the now retired Swedish IKV-91 (90mm, 212), the M8 Buford (6, Cancelled) M10 Booker (26?, cancelled), and the remaining hordes of PT-76 (Russia, 76.2mm). In several cases they may not be based on IFVs, but there are IFVs based on them.
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Think with the lessons from recent conflicts, lighter/mid weight tanks (often based on an IFV chassis) like the CV90120 might become more appealing for certain areas?

It seems like Slovakia narrowed down their competition to the Tulpar and the CV90120 and eliminated the Leopard and Black Panther
elsewhere, Brazil also narrowed it down to the Tulpar, CV90 (not sure if its the 120 variant), ASCOD and Lynx
 
helmutkohl said:
Think with the lessons from recent conflicts, lighter/mid weight tanks (often based on an IFV chassis) like the CV90120 might become more appealing for certain areas?
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I don't think APS tech is there yet. Plus, I think next-gen tanks will need more armor to the sides and top, so they're not going to end up much lighter than today's tanks.
 

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